Wednesday, 6 February 2013

Clarins Double Serum - the review that never was.


So here's the thing - this is set to be Clarins biggest launch this year. It has already had rave reviews from BBB and Ree - both of whom also received it early - and seem to really love it.

However, between moving into a new office (YAY!) and the Lurg (BOO!) - although I had this early for testing, I was late to the party. And then at the weekend I was tagged in a post on Sali Hughes' Facebook group where someone expressed concern that this contained mineral oil.

THAT I was not expecting. It didn't occur to me that something from a brand that prides itself on plant extracts would contain mineral oil. I checked the box and sure enough - the oil component of Double Serum is mineral oil. 

So we have 20 plant extracts in a mineral oil. What's the point? Well, Clarins will probably say that the mineral oil is a good generic carrier oil and they can expect fewer reactions (and thus fewer returns) and it is a stable base for all their actives. My cynical side will say that it made the formula much cheaper to produce. Much cheaper.

So - this is the review that never was. Why? Because I've been working really hard on my skin lately - to the point where people are noticing and commenting that my skin is 'looking good'. 

I'm not about to slather it in mineral oil - no matter how much I love Clarins - and I DO - I really LOVE Clarins. I've been using it for around 25 years. I have a whole list of products ready to blog on my 'Favourite Brands' post that is coming up.

Just as well really because this isn't ever going to be one of them.

 I'm sticking to my beloved Skin Beauty Repair Concentrate (which is coming up next on the blog).

Sorry Clarins. But really: What's the point?



73 comments:

  1. I was chatting to a sales assistant at the Clarins counter. I was telling her about P50 and she was singing the praises of this new serum, how much they'd spent on research and the massive PR campaign. I guess they cut a few corners eah?

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    1. Oh no I've just purchased this have I wasted my money

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    2. If it works for you - that's perfect. xx

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  2. Ooohhh, I don't fully understand, why is mineral oil bad? Are people sensitive to it? What ingredients do I need to look out for?! Gonna check if anything I have has it in, haha!

    fridayisforeverblog.com xx

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    1. Hi Sarah - I've blogged it a few times - if you search mineral oil you'll find it :)

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    2. Hi Caroline, I've checked your posts about mineral oil and you say just that it's cheap and has no benefits to te skin. I still don't understand *why*. Thanks

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    3. Hi Sarah,

      See my comment below to Charlotte Kim :)

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  3. Being totally naive here, Caroline, but what is wrong with mineral oil. I mean I understand it's a petrol based product but is there any research concluding it's bad?

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  4. I think I might be a bit relieved, it is an expensive serum & I'm happy with the one I have (without mineral oil) but this looked like a must have - not any more!

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    1. i know - but people who have used it do love it....

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  5. I save so much time coming to you - thanks so much for this bc i just wouldn't have expected mineral oil in it at all and would have bought it.

    PS I am loving the clarins exfoliating toner by the way - really is making a difference in the texture of my skin and when i cant be bothered with the whole routine i just swipe - thanks so much!

    PPS love love love your blog - wish i found it sooner.

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    1. Thank you - and isn't the toner AMAZING?!

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  6. I don't really understand the hate against mineral oil. It seems a bit of scaremongering without a lot of basis in real data. It may be cheap but I know that when I got an awful chemical burn - no "plant" oils helped in protecting my skin. I felt instant relief when I just slathered on some Aquafor. Obviously it's personal preference but if a product works and it's safe, I'm going to use it.

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    1. Fair play - each to their own! :)

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    2. Forgive me if it seems I am intruding but the reason against mineral oil is that there is data but to save time and be simplistic - they rub mineral oils on metals for car to help stop rust bc it seals the metal. Now imagine skin with pores and veins and vital organs underneath. It stops moisture from getting in or out. If you put mineral oil on your whole body then went into a sauna it would be pretty lethal. Aqua phone may give relied but so does heroin so relief is a temporary symptom of the real issue. Also mineral oil is more expensive to dispose of than sell!

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    3. I'm sorry but the mineral oil on metals that you speak of is completely different from the cosmetic grade mineral oil that's used in skin products. To imply otherwise is very irresponsible. So you exemplify the scaremongering that I was referencing in my original post. Do you have data to back up the claim that using mineral oil + sauna = "lethal"? I think maybe we are operating under different definitions of that word. And finally, the fact that you compared my use of AQUAFOR to heroin? - I don't even know where to begin on that one. Good day.

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    4. Did you seriously compare my use of Aquafor to HEROIN?

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    5. Hi Ladies!

      Charlotte Kim - mineral oil has always been used to treat burn victims due to its ability to act as a barrier - which you obviously need if you've burned your top layers of skin off.
      Regarding 'medical grade' MO (refining it doesn't necessarily make it better - look at sugar)- there are SO many differing of opinions - throughout the medical community and brands etc - I'm not talking about bloggers - that it always - like everything in life - comes down to personal choice. I love a paraffin wax mask during a facial - but if I was to leave the salon with layers of products containing mineral oil in them on my face I'd be broken out before I got home. My skin feels like it's not breathing and looks really dull after use.
      I tried to keep the review fair by linking to people who had used the product and loved it. I hope that comes through.
      There is sadly, case studies of babies suffocating because they ingested baby oil - I remember being horrified when I saw the Mother on Oprah (years ago)- after her baby died the Mother petitioned the US government who made it a law that all products containing such oils had to have tamper proof lids to stop children/babies accidentally getting into them.
      http://au.news.yahoo.com/today-tonight/consumer/article/-/5035273/the-dangers-of-baby-oil/

      I hopefully don't scare-monger - I just think there are better alternatives out there.
      Please do let me know your thoughts - I am always open to alternative views - this blog would fall apart without readers! :)

      And coulda woulda shoulda - I believe in open comment (in 95% of cases! LOL) so please don't worry - and you are correct in that crude oil companies pay labs to take the mineral oil off their hands so that they don't have to dispose of it themselves.

      Thank you both for commenting.

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    6. @Charlotte - Sorry - I hope you didn't think I was comparing your use of Aquaphor to heroin!

      Not at all - it is just that when I used to tell my doctor that steroid cream - which once again is not Aquaphor - gave relief - she said something which stuck with me - that just because something gives relief doesn't mean it is good for you.

      I am sorry if this caused any offence - I did not mean to - if anything I just wanted to spread the word about mineral oil - yes, you are right the car industry uses a more refined version but ultimately it is the same make up. If you don't mind it then that's cool but I always believe in making a decision based on information so if you feel like smoking cigarettes after all we know then it is one' choice. So no offence meant.

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  7. Echoing the above, am so glad I have recently come across you blog. I have started using p50 and Emma Hardie, and may have got a sample of this but defo staying away now!

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  8. I'm not posting this to stir the pot ( I would NEVER use mineral oil and am in complete agreement with you), but there is a lot of misinformation on the internet from reputable organizations, magazines, health professionals etc.... It's difficult for the average person to know exactly what to believe and who to trust. Self magazine is a magazine that I've read for years and would typically trust, so I'm glad that I love skincare and do an insane amount of research into each and every product I use (thank you sensitive skin!). Having said that, I googled, "why is mineral oil bad for your skin" and this was the first link that showed up.... unfortunate for all women who do a simple search and trust the first thing they read!

    http://www.self.com/blogs/flash/2012/05/beauty-myth-or-fact-mineral-oi.html

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    1. Would you be able to put up some links from reputable sources showing mineral oil is BAD? My derm told me mineral oil is safe and okay to use...I feel like I just don't know what to believe! :(

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    2. Depends what your derm wants you to use it for - if its for a barrier cream then you should be fine - see other comments on this post. :)

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  9. Thank you for saving my money. It is such a shame because I love Clarins. And thank you so much for recommending the exfoliating toner, it's great!

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  10. Hi Caroline, would LOVE a top 10 serum post. I am in my thirties and am currently using Hydraluron but guess I need to start using an anti age serum?? Am a bit confused though, which is better? A good hydrating serum (ie hydraluron) followed by an anti age night cream OR a good anti age serum followed by a basic moisturiser like cetaphil maybe?

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    1. Antiage serum, hydraluron, moisturiser in that order. Depends on your skin type a to what serum you need.

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  11. How do you like Olay regenerist serum? thanks

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    1. I don't really like Olay products if I'm honest. Just don't work for me - but obvs they work for some! :)

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  12. I was using their pure melt cleansing gel, and apparently it has also got mineral oil in it so I stopped using it immediately, and now this. Really disappointing for a brand like Clarins!

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    1. I wouldn't stress too much - you're washing it off - don't waste it if its not breaking you out. Just read the inci label next time if you don't want to use MO. :)

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  13. I get so annoyed when expensive products use mineral oil! My skin doesn't tolerate mineral oil at all. I wonder how the tolerance profile of simple oils like safflower or sweet almond compare to mineral oil?

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    1. Almond oil has problems for nut allergy sufferers if it's the whole element of the almond that has been used. Most brands remove the protein responsible for allergies for that reason. Having said that - no-one with a severe nut allergy would use it regardless. :)

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  14. Just took this off my "list". How disappointing! Anyways, looking forward to your favorite brands post!

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  15. Oh no!!! Advanced night repair and the clinique serum did zero for my skin, I was hoping this would be everything I hoped they would have been ..... very sad!! On a total side note, could you recommend an eye cream for slightly dehydrated skin under the eyes and early wrinkle prevention??? The one's I've tried in the past have either felt like putting toothpaste under my eyes or have been very sticky and not nice for putting make up on top of. Any suggestions Caroline? I'm in my 20's if it helps.

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  16. So disappointed when I read your review today. I just bought the serum yesterday at Sephora. I assumed that it was the same as the Generation 6 that you raved about and even called Clarins to ask them if it was the same and they said yes. Very disappointed and hoping that I don't have a reaction to the mineral oil.( also purchased the toner and Vital light and Super Restorative Eye.Big bunch of money that I hope will be a good investment) Love all of your posts and am now an Algenist Night and p50 convert but needing some extra help with deep puffy eyes and the sunspots of 50 year old skin. So grateful for your blog.

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  17. I am a huge fan of Clarins and I was ready to try this. Thanks for heads up, saved some money already!!

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  18. Would you recommend the Generation 6 instead of this? I just posted that I had purchased the double serum yesterday and wondering if I should return it and try to get the Generation 6? Was so hopeful that this would address the firming, lackluster, pigmented and large pored skin But am now concerned that the mineral oil might make it worse. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks so much!

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    1. I'd check the contents of Generation 6 and also if they are keeping it - this might be its replacement?

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  19. so glad to read from people that doesn't jump on the heavy-advertising-induced-hype vagon! I hear so many people here in italy saying they feel "hydrated" when they actually are covered in silicons/mineral oils/petroleum derivates! :)

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  20. Clarins have a few products with mineral oils in....hydraquench serum and gentle day/night cream. It's a shame really coz i LOVE some of their stuff esp their face treatment oils!!

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  21. I was so excited when I heard about this new serum and like you I was absolutely shocked when I saw it contained mineral oil. Thank god I read the ingredients list first before purchasing.

    Why couldn't they just used another type of oil like argan or rose hip oil. I guess it's because as you say mineral oil is such a cheap ingredient. But I don't understand why put all those great antioxidants and plant extracts in such a rubbish base. I thought we were in the day and age now where brands like Clarins understood what most customers want. I mean brands like Sisley have cottoned on to people not wanting parabens so all their new products don't contain them. Why can't Clarins be the same in the terms of using mineral oil?

    Kind regards,

    Danny

    www.holisticgreenbeauty.com

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  22. i AM SURE THE PETROLEUM INDUSTRY PAY COMPANIES TO BUY THE MINERAL OIL OFF THEM, DUE TO IT BEING A 'BY PRODUCT' CHEAP AND CHEERFUL. GEETA

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  23. THE PETROLEUM INDUSTRY PAYS COMPANY TO TAKE THE BY PRODUCT (IN THIS INSTANCE MINERAL OIL) OFF THEIR HANDS THATS WHY MANY GRREDY COMPANIES A LA CLARINS USE IT- ITS A WIN WIN FOR THEM. wHY COULD CLARINS NOT PUT IN JOJOBA OIL AS ITS A TRIGLYCERIDE AND NOT AN OIL AS SUCH ITS SO SKIN COMPATIBLE.... GEETA SOOD

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    1. I'm sorry but I disagree. Clarins dies wonderful things for the community. Before you judge the company based off one ingredient in a brand you should do your research. They heavily promote educating and feeding underprivileged children thru a program called F.E.E.D. and invest a ton of time making sure that all of the ingredients they harvest are done do in a manner that is safe, sustainable and lucrative for the farmers, harvesters and communities affected. If you took time to research a bit, you'd understand that the mineral oil is medical grade and was used because of its ability to protect the ingredients that are more potent in an oil base. Olive, almond, hazelnut, coconut, avocado and other oils go rancid quickly. once that oil spoils , so does the serum. Do you want to pay $85 on a bottle of rancid oil? And fyi, the mineral oil used is not only medical grade but has been Tested EXTENSIVELY to ensure it is absolutely safe. I have been using clarins for years, have worked in the industry for more than 20 years, have studied clarins as a consumer and as as industry professional. Dont discredit a family owned company that is dying great things based off 1 miserable ingredient.

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    2. OF course it's safe. Doesn't mean it's best for the skin. It DOES mean it's the best for profits however.

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  24. I meant its not a triglyceride but a liquid wax, sorry for the typo!!! Geeta

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  25. Hello!

    I did indeed purchase the DS and ever since it seems to have fixed up my skin, however I am about two weeks off purchasing another, before I do want to understand what it is about this product that is helping my skin which is generally very dry, and to see whether another product would work as well/better with better ingredients?

    Thank you!

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  26. Didnt know that mineral oil is bad for skin. Recently clarins sale double serum duo with discounted price and promoter urged me to buy it but i didnt. Just asked few sample sachets to try first.
    I bought their intensive brightening serum. Hope this doesnt contain mineral oil.

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  27. Ugh. I bought this before I found your blog (currently reading through the archives!) and realised that mineral oil was almost certainly causing me problems. I hated this from the start, persisted with it for a couple of weeks then shelved it. Never re-read the ingredients but now I see the problem!

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  28. Hi Caroline,

    I, too, bought this and started to use it before realising that it contained mineral oil. It's not breaking me out (so far, *frantically touches all wood within arm's reach*) but now that I've opened the flippin' bottle and it cost me €50 I feel like I have to use it all up. Grrr.

    Because it contains the oil I'm not sure where it fits into my skincare routine (I am only using it at night). I usually do serum/Hironsluron/night cream but because the mineral oil forms an occlusive barrier I thought it might be best to put the Hironsluron on first so that it can take the best out of the serum and put it into my skin? I have some Yes/No questions below, if you had the time to answer them I would be so grateful. Of course if you don't have time I completely understand. Also I love you. In a non-creepy way.

    1. Is there any point in doing Hironsluron and then Doom-ble Serum?

    2. Should I bother putting a night cream on top of the Doom-ble Serum? I'm thinking that if it can't penetrate the layer of mineral oil then there is prob no point.

    3. Should I just ditch the Doom-ble Serum and try something else instead?

    Many thanks,

    Niamh

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  29. Crazy! I think most of you are so lost in the mineral oil debate that you actually sound paranoid.I have been using the serum since launch and what a wonderful product it is. Perhaps if you stop ranting about parabens and mineral oils and actually just give it a subjective try, you may even surprise yourself.
    But then again, a fool is a genius among idiots!

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    1. I guess you'd know eh? 'anonymous'.

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    2. I really feel this blog is doing more harm than good. Honestly, you're all so hung up on the mineral oil that you're not looking into the science behind the product, the history behind the brand and most importantly, the wonderful things it's ding in the community. So sad. Hemorrhoid creams, eczema treatments, psoriasis treatments, burn creams, benadryl, hair products all contain mineral oil. That's just to name a few. Honestly, you should be more concerned about the horrid things you're ingesting. You eat more preservatives and parabens than you slather on.

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    3. She made a valid point. You, on the other hand, have not.

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    4. Sorry I'm unsure which anonymous I'm talking to now.

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  30. I allergic to mineral based things. sorbelene cream causes my skin to break out in a rash. Ive used clarins for nearly 20 years and Ive noticed that the formula has changed. So I did some experimenting and made my own. Works better than clarins and nothing hurts.

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  31. If you taste the night cream you can guess the ingredients.

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  32. Mineral oil is not definitively harmful for your skin, but it depends on what skin type you have. Many people are allergic to it or will break out from it. I personally use a mineral-oil based cleansing oil to remove my makeup, which works wonderfully. But I am hesitant to put it all over my face and leave it on as a "treatment."

    I'm not saying Clarins Double Serum is a bad product or necessarily ineffective, but I am disappointed to learn that it contains a base of mineral oil, which is unarguably a cheap ingredient. I was on the fence about purchasing it ($85 + tax for 1oz!) and I'm glad I found this post and comment thread. Saved me monies.

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  33. Hey guys what du think about advance night repair II by Estee lauder..

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  34. @ Marlon Milla. I love the Advanced night repair I've been using for a few months and it has done wonders for my face

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  35. Thank u. U see I'm 27 years old and so far I've been using this double serum by clarins and over the weeks my face has become so greasy and heavy.. . Im desperate!!!

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    1. Same, I bought it last week. After 3 days I got acnes, my face became dull and greasy, so I stopped using it since yesterday. :(

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  36. Ugh. Purchased this today. From reading some of the comments I've also used other Clarins products with mineral oil in them. Thankfully no breakouts with them though. Once I've used it I'l try the Estee Lauder instead.

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  37. I was a sales representative and a facialist for Clarins for a while. I'm not going to just bag out this one company but I would definitely give the advice to everyone looking for natural alternatives and ethical companies, most of the time you are going to have to step away from the department stores. Those big brands spend a lot of money on creating a brand name that portrays "natural" or "luxury". Some of my clients used and loved the products so I never lied, Clarins admits that they use synthetic ingredients (so-called 'high tech' science) + natural ingredients but it's pretty hidden in terms of marketing. Keep in mind Clarins is entirely sales based, it's ALL about the bottom line. Staff turnover is massive, sales targets are insane and I know many reps will lie to consumers to get the sale (considering the pressure they're under). They're not going to want to portray the fact they make largely synthetic products with a few natural ingredients. Don't kid yourself that other big companies like Estee Lauder are different. These companies all have access to the same ingredients, it's all about marketing and branding and generally they're all a bit of a muchness. My advice, go to a salon/skin clinic that is established and known for quality skincare and buy it there, not the department stores.

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    1. Salons and spas do the same thing. I'm an esthetician with a degree in cosmetic chemistry. Here in the USA, the only thing that differentiates the difference between private label products and major brands is the patents. You can walk into any company that provides private label products pay a minimal amt of money and start your own product line. Why? Cause it's inexpensive and the base formula is the same. What does that mean? It means that unless you've got your own patented ingredients, you're slathering the same crap on your skin that most everyone else is. Your paying for marketing tactics, packaging and the hope that these products are gonna work. At least with clarins, they're using a portion of your proceeds to feed hungry kids, give jobs to ppl in places that otherwise wouldn't have any and are working on keeping the ppl they employ from depleting the environment.

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    2. Anonymous (again):
      Why do you work in an industry if you think products are in general 'crap'? And don't think for one minute that Clarins (like any corporation to be fair) feeds 'hungry kids' before they feed the shareholders.
      Every large company that is sensible has a good CSR policy. I have a lot of love for Clarins - but they're not above constructive criticism.

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  38. I bought the serum without looking at the reviews first. I used it for 2-3 days and my skin looked dull, greasy, and I got acnes. I stopped it at the 5th day

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  39. I was so keen on trying this serum... then I came across this post. I feel gutted it has mineral oil. What a shame as I love love love Clarins. :(

    speakingbeautyuk.blogspot.co.uk

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