Thursday, 27 June 2013

Paula Begoun, the rumour mill and make your mind up.

POSTSCRIPT:
I've had a lot of questions on social media about lots of other brands and Paula's own line. To reiterate: this is absolutely not personal - she goes up against big brands and says 'Really? THAT much?' and I completely respect that. I just personally think it is spectacularly important when you have your own brand that the message is clear and consistent.
Everything is based on someone's opinion. Everything. And everyone is of course entitled to one.
It is perfectly acceptable to respect someone's opinion whilst disagreeing with it. That's all.

Second update:
The team at Paula's Choice have updated both reviews to show far more information and give more clarity.


Original post:

I had a comment (somewhere!!) that said something along the lines of 'I know you've said you don't like Paula Begoun'...

I've never said I don't like Paula Begoun! She has absolutely made a difference to how women view beauty products and counter staff - especially in the US.. I have great respect for her sticking her neck out and taking on the brands and their claims. 

All I've said is that I don't understand how someone who has previously written a scathing review like this about Eve Lom cleanser (worse than ME - really):


and this about Eve Lom TLC cream - both reviews refer to mineral oil in a (very) negative light:


Can then bring out a product that contains mineral oil:


And say this about mineral oil:


If it 'cannot become solid and clog pores' why say it does exactly that in the Eve Lom cleanser?

So what is it? Does it clog pores or doesn't it? Does it only clog pores in products that aren't Paula's Choice? It seems illogical to slag off one brand for using mineral oil and then use it in your own brand. 

On the plus side they at least print all their ingredients. (I will not stop going on about this.)
On the negative side the message is confusing to the average consumer.

That's all. 

No that's not all.

I still don't like mineral oil. Sorry P.





141 comments:

  1. Mineral oil...Caroline, do you think you might do another post about it? The reason is people just think I am mad when I tell them it isn't good and they always reply that baby oil is used on well, babies so it can't be bad at all. I think you are one of the few bloggers out there sticking to your guns about this which I hugely respect and admire because I am sure it would make your life easier if you just shrugged your shoulders. Thanks x

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    1. There is one on here already - search for mineral oil and jazz hands :)

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  2. I never read her reviews, too conflicted and biased.
    BUT: her 2% BHA liquid exfoliator and 8% AHA are a-ma-zing.

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    1. I genuinely want to try them. And will. One blip doesn't mean the rest of the range is up the swanny.

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    2. I feel the same about her reviews.

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  3. Yes! That's baffling, maybe principles aren't as important when there's money to be made? Or perhaps it wasn't her choice and she thought no-one would notice. But it is a little hypocritical.

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    1. If it wasn't her choice that's even MORE disappointing - but I'm sure it was.

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  4. What annoys me most about the Eve Lom cleanser (I've never tried it. Never would. So can't comment on results) is the fact it costs so bloody much YET must cost do little to make!!

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    1. You can't blame them entirely - CDLM have built an entire brand around it! LOL

      When Eve Lom launched (I was there) there was NO negative press about MO - I genuinely think she made that cleanser with the best intentions. The problem is that now - that texture - that customers LOVE - cannot be replicated with natural oils. So what do you do? Thousands of people love it - THOUSANDS.

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  5. In the review about the Eve Lom cleanser, could she be referring to the lanolin?

    I have to say I agree with her that MO is a cheap product and hence the price tag on those two products is ridiculous. Which is what you would probably also say, I think.

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    1. Absolutely. And if the lanolin is the problem - shouldn't that be clearly stated? :)

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  6. How confusing! Will it say in the ingredients 'mineral oil' or do products use a different name for it?

    Seaside Beauty
    xxx

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    1. MO can have different names, that's why some find it confusing. Here's an article about MO on Cosmetic DNA:
      http://cosdna.com/eng/b8f06b267.html

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  7. I have read all about mineral oil on this blog and now try to avoid it. However, I did read somewhere here that you love 'a Garnier moisturiser' but all the ones I look at by Garnier have mineral oil. Also, when I was looking for a cleansing oil, the brand that leaped off the screen when I did some research was Shu Uemura but that contains mineral oil - even though it is hugely popular and endorsed by tonnes of people. So, I was left baffled. I went for Dermalogica precleanse because it didn't contain mineral oil.

    I take it, Caroline, that you would not recommend Shu Uemura's oils?

    P.S Absolutely adore the blog. Thanks for the amazing skincare education! X

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    1. Not Caroline here, but Shu do a cleansing oil without mineral oil and it's called Ultimae8.

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    2. I've been using Origins - Clean Energy Cleansing Oil - that's pretty good and doesn't have mineral oil. Hope that helps

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    4. Exactly - one Shu oil only LOL

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    5. Thank you for the replies. I'll look into both those suggestions. I can't believe the Shu oils are basically just mineral oil and yet they are touted as the best. Madness. I have PB books and like her reviews. I like that she often says we don't have to spend a fortune for products that work, though this is said mainly in the hair book. However, I don't like the fact mineral oil is in one her creams! Slap wrists!

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  8. No one likes mineral oil, but everyone likes a healthy bottom line. Even Paula Begoun. Mineral oil is really cheap, and if customers are willing to buy it, brands will always be willing to sell it at a massive profit.

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    1. I know this reply is quite late, but I read all the links and there is not a single thing that points to your conclusion that Paula is against mineral oil. All she writes is that for people with oilier type skin, it may cause an oily feeling on the skin, not cause breakouts or other issues, simply contribute to the oil already present. However, for those with dry skin, Mineral oil is a gentle and effective moisturizer. The product line in your link for Paula's Choice products is intended for dry, irritated and reddened skin or those dealing with dermatitis and excema. From her ingredient dictionary:

      "Mineral oil is not an ingredient to avoid unless you have oily skin, in which case the somewhat greasy texture of mineral oil won't feel the best (but again, mineral oil doesn't clog pores or suffocate skin)."

      http://www.paulaschoice.com/cosmetic-ingredient-dictionary/definition/mineral-oil

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    2. As per the posting stated by Mrs Hirons, the links have been updated and no longer reflect the the contradiction that Mrs Hirons found confusing. Paula's Chiice people have changed their post to reflect a revision I believe after Mrs Hiron correctly pointed out the absurd contradictions that made between hating one product for an ingredient yet advocating their own and saying more contradictory things in a general posting.

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    3. great to know you got a PA, Caroline!

      xo

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  9. Hi Caroline. Just wanted to tell you that after I started reading your blog, stalking you on twitter and instram (LOL) my skin has never looked better before! I currently don't have a single pimple or a whitehead, only some blackheads on my nose! I love the way you explain things so everybody can understand it.
    Any good recommendation for a hydration toner/mist for combination teenager skin?
    Kind regards

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    1. I'm obviously not Caroline, but Caudalie Beauty Elixir is wonderful. REN also do a wonderful mist! :)

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    2. sletta what products do you use?

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  10. I *do* hate Paula Begoun. Well, I don't know her, so not as a person but lets just say as a brand.

    I can't stand the consistent hypocrisy paired with being also so dang one-note. (I almost resent the one-note factor more.) While these are concepts seemingly at odds with each other, Paula brings them to life.

    That being said, I am appreciative of the fact that she challenges brands on claims... it's just that I wish she'd refine her message a lot more. A lot more.

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    1. Don't get me wrong - I LOVE that she challenges brands - and I definitely don't hate her! I also wish the message was refined.

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  11. To be fair to PB, she does not actually say its the mineral oil that clogs pores in the Eve Lom cleanser - it could be another ingredient. I actually think she's consistent - the criticism of the EL products is that they are heavy on mineral oil and pricey, whereas its a small part of her moisturiser, which is actually very good and has saved my skin from several winters.

    And I won't stop raving about her Earth Source toner! Seriously, try it!

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    1. If you like it that's great. My point is that it's not clear.

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  12. I agree that she is sending mixed messages. I checked the ingredients on the Paula's Choice cream, though, and I just see petrolatum listed. Still a petroleum-based product like mineral oil but I'm wondering if you view petrolatum and mineral oil the same way? Would be helpful to know what you think! I usually try to avoid both anyway.

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    1. Yes in essence they are the same thing

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  14. the message that is being conveyed here i think Caroline, is practice what you preach! Simples... and dont advertise double standards. not a good look. ... loving how u "Tell it like it is"!!! no cotton wool (no pun intended) Your pixiwoo appearance has somewhat educated the world! I am now the proud owner of EH Moringa Cleansing Balm! Your theories are genius!!! x

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  15. I am with you on this! I am not a fan of mineral oil at ALL and I'm glad you are at least bringing up what the confusion is about!

    Many people don't realize that many big companies use mineral oil because its so cheap and temporary feels like a cheap substitute for a moisturizer. It all comes down to money in the end.

    In fact at my site I will break down more details on this stuff but you have been a great motivation to speak on these concerns that goes through people's head!

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  16. One more thing, I forgot to mention that I'm proud of you to look at others people words vs their actions!! You walk the talk!! Thanks

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  18. I absolutely agree with you Caroline. I loved some of the resources on Paula's website, it's full of great informations. But not long ago I saw this propaganda about mineral oil and I wondererd if i missed something...Hypocrisy at its finest.

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  19. I know this is somewhat irrelevant to this post, but Paula Begoun and countless other sources say you should avoid using moisturizers/night creams that are packaged in jars because it frequently exposes the product to air and light, which destabilises the antioxidants, vitamins etc, making them a waste of money.
    If I recall correctly, you use moisturizers packed in jars. Thoughts?

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    1. Yes I absolutely do. There is absolutely NO difference between a jar and a tube except customer preference. Airless pumps are a different story - tubes of cream are not.
      Preservatives are so sophisticated these days that I do use jars. Mind you - that could be because I use so much product that its gone in 3 months LOL

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    2. I've been wondering about the jar vs tube issue! I recently bought Organic Surge's Overnight Sensation cream but was worried about it being in a jar.

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    3. oh my. . . I think my head just exploded. Preservatives = keep bacteria from multiplying. Nothing more, nothing less. They don't keep for example tretinoin (Retin-A) stable. Would your pharmacist ever hand you Retin-A in a tub or jar? Of course not. Antioxidants are sensitive to light and air. This includes vitamin C, peptides etc. . .I can't understand how someone as intelligent as yourself Caroline could write such a thing. If you have any doubts there are over 100 + studies done on this topic.

      I love your style of writing and find it interesting but isn't it wrong to put out these incorrect messages? That would be like me saying "The earth is flat". Sure some people may argue with me but in this day and age science has proven otherwise. I hope you can understand where I am coming from. People look to you for help with their skincare issues and woes and this seems terribly dishonest to me. I don't want to say ignorant of the facts as I don't believe you are.

      Michelle x

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    4. Hi Michelle!

      Thank you for taking the time to respond. I do appreciate you coming back as opposed to just saying 'Meh she's wrong'. :)
      I do want to reiterate that I don't feel I'm being dishonest or ignorant in any way. I work with a lot of brands at NPD level and you can indeed have hi-tech ingredients in jars. It all depends on the delivery system. If something is macro-encapsulated (which costs) it's perfectly stable. The brands I've worked with and continue to work with do clinical trials, stability testing and in vivo testing (far superior to in vitro testing) to gauge all aspects of efficacy.
      If I had to choose I'd pick airless for convenience - for travel especially - but the key is in the formulations, the ingredients and the manufacturing.

      And I do honestly appreciate the response. Always.

      Cx

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  20. I always wondered WHO was going to review Paula's brand when she criticizes everyone else's products....I just got my answer. Thank you! I stopped going to her site because I saw a pattern...criticize their products, then recommend my own.

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    1. I honestly see a ton of good in the reviews - I love the Creme de la Mer review - and agree wth it - http://www.paulaschoice.com/beautypedia-skin-care-reviews/by-brand/la-mer/_/Creme-De-La-Mer
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  21. Dear Caroline,
    Thank you so much for sharing knowledge on your blog, I've benefitted a lot from it! I do agree that Paula Begoun's analysis of ingredients are informative and interesting to read, but I find them very confusing! Especially on how she is very biased towards products containing natural essential oils. She has condemned many products from Clarins, Aesop, Darphin etc, because of their "potentially irritating" plant ingredients.

    On another note, is it possible for you to do a post on La Mer products please? I'm curious to know what you think about this whole miracle broth thing that seems to have thousands of women swearing by it.
    Thank you!!

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    1. Yes, please do one on La Mer! I also find that she hates everything with essential oils.

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    2. I don't have a problem with MOST essential oils - some are indeed an allergen - but in my 17 years on the shop floor - brands that she singles out are among the best - go figure...! and I agree with her review on La Mer - see above. In fact I think she was kind LOL

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    3. Thank you Caroline! :) This has taught me to see things from a different light. Clears up the much of the confusion I've had over the past few years too!

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    4. Thank you Caroline! Now I can see things in a different light :)

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  22. Why do dermatologists often recommend products with mineral oil. Its all so confusing. Does anyone actually have any scientific studies that it is bad for you. I mean it does from the ground ???? Or am I being really naive ;p

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    1. They recommend it because its very generic and most people are not allergic to it. My view is that there are better oils...

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  23. Ohhhthis has opened my eyes a little. I love reading her reviews, well loved. In fact I said so the other night on twitter, now I don't know what to believe when I read them!

    @sweet_miss_jo

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    1. I think the reviews are for the most part, sound. It's the mixed message going on in her own brand I find confusing.

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  24. Hi Caroline, as a non pro I'm totally baffled by ingredients lists....how does mineral oil appear in an inci list? Could u please do a Cheat Sheet on ingredients e.g. what to look out for, what to avoid etc. please, please!

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    1. I could but it would take FOREVER. And as Prince said: Forever is a mighty long time. LOL

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  25. I've got a couple of Paula Begouns books (e.g.'Don't go to the cosmetics counter without..') and I've read a lot of her skincare reviews. but I've always been very uncomfortable with the fact that there is a massive conflict of interest surrounding her business. She feels free to publicly criticise whatever product/brand she chooses, and yet.. she is their competitor because she sells skincare products under her own name. And, who exactly appointed her 'the cosmetics cop'? Meh, I tend to disregard everything she says now on the basis that it's probably self-serving and biased.

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    1. I honestly think the majority of the views are sound and solid. The message isn't clear is all.

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  26. Hello, new reader, enjoying your blog so far!

    I think her gripe has more to do with the outrageous prices Eve Lom is charging for run of the mill ingredients (which make up the bulk of this ITEM) , and the hype the cleanser received after being touted as possibly the best cleanser in the world.

    She never said mineral oil would irritate skin in each review, she actually seemed more concerned about fragrance, clove and eucalyptus as being possible irritants.

    She has definitely taught me that price does not necessarily correlate with quality.

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    1. I completely agree. Both with her review of EL and the inci.

      But be consistent! :)

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  27. Never heard of this PB brand but this post does make me wonder....when will you bring out your own Caroline Hirons Skin care brand! When you do, it'll sell out in seconds and you can retire lol!

    For those asking above, mineral oil can be written on ingredients lists as...Petrolatum, Paraffin, Liquidum paraffinum, Paraffin oil, Paraffin wax. I belive they're all derivitive of petroleum/mineral oil. Thanks to Caroline, i've cut it out from my skin care. I've always suffered from excema and these mineral oil based products doctors prescribe have only ever been cheap quick fixes but have had no long term benefits. They're also cheap and a 'safe' bet for pharmacuiticle companies as ppl rarely react to them compared to natural products which can vary from person to person. However natural oils are much more nourishing

    www.ukbabyblog.com

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  28. I agree that her messages are confusing - I delighted in the "Don't go to the cosmetics counter without me" book because there was nothing else like it out at the time, but I was confused. I love Eve Lom (as you know:) it works for me and has done for more that 20 years but ingredients and textures have moved on and now I find that I would quite like my cleanser to do a bit more than just cleanse my skin thankyou very much, I want a bit of brightening or some nourishing and comforting and there are some amazing cleansers which have ingredients which have those properties, and given that I am massaging away for more that 5 mins often (oh yes) these ingredients are on the skin long enough to actually do something. I suppose what I object to is that one can be allergic/have a reaction to anything and just because something is from a plant doesn't mean it is going to have an affinity with one's individual skin, any more that if something is man made.
    Sorry I have maybe created the longest sentence known ever - blathering as per. Thanks Caroline pithy as usual. xx

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  29. I'm in the US and own the Moisture Boost product. Mine does not contain mineral oil but, it does have petrolatum about a third of the way down the list.

    Quite a few of Paula' Begoun's products are excellent. I've never read her reviews on products but, I was aware she was an industry professional, seemed quite educated on ingredients and launched a brand that not only spelled out all the ingredients in her products but also discloses the purpose of each. That impresses me.

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    1. Me too. For the most part. Honestly. I don't have a problem. It's just the MO issue! :)

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  30. Thank you, Mrs. Hirons & Mrs. UKBB. I finally figured out why the aloe vera lotion I was prescribed for my skin allergy made my condition worse...it contains liquid paraffin. I used plain aloe vera and nothing bad happened so I couldn't understand what it was that was making my life an itchy hell (other than the actual allergy, that is).

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  32. I completely agree with you Caroline. She slags off every brand except her own - understandable, as it's her own, but I find the double standards annoying. I've used her products and not been impressed and I've read her commentary as well - again, not impressed.

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    1. No, she doesn't slag off every brand. Look at her best of lists and you'll see a number of alternatives. There is not really a confusing message at all in my opinion. The gripe with the product is clearly stated in the Cons section. There is no mention of mineral oil in that section, therefore, the bad review is not based on the presence of mineral oil in that product. As for her reviews they are very all based on a specific set of criteria. The ingredients, including their known benefits and side effects (based on science), the packaging, the cost, and if the formula itself is effective (e.g. right ph levels). I personally find that more impressive than "80 % of people who tried this said it made a difference"kind of review. That ain't science, that is just opinion. I'm also a bit confused as to this revulsion of mineral oil and yet seemingly no concern about the existence of phenol in some of BPs P50 line, particularly the 1970 version, which is the one people claim works the best. Phenol, a quick sneak peek at Wikipedia will also reveal is largely derived from petroleum, same as mineral oil.

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    2. Hi Anon No.1,

      I don't think she slags off every brand to be honest - but I agree its easy to be seen as self-serving when every review has a link to her own line underneath. Equally - its her site, her hard work and hers to do with as she sees fit.

      Hi Anon No.2,

      The original review had no 'Cons' section. It has been updated since my post. You are reading the clarified version.

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    3. Thanks for replying. I'm so glad that your post seemingly led to that clarity in the post on Eve Lom's cleanser. I see your point on a number of things.

      Firstly, regardless of whether she has integrity or not, the perception for many will be that she has a conflict of interest now that she has her own brand. It's really time for her to give up Beautypedia, or hand it over to people who are not affiliated with any particular brand and will be more transparently impartial. Her legacy will live on regardless of her direct involvement.

      I too am wary of mineral oils because they are to me jsut a filler that does nothing at all really, so it's filling up space in your bottle/jar better used for ingredients that do.

      I personally can't wait for the new blog lay out, I've been dying to search your reviews, but am search challenged. Looking forward to reading your new posts too. Cheers. I'm a big fan.

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  33. SERIOUSLY WORRIED NOW! My two young children suffer from mild eczema and I have never thought about checking what the main ingredients are in their body creams and bath gels. Well they are: liquid paraffin and white soft paraffin. Not to mention E45 that my husband (another eczema sufferer) have been using for the last 40 years. But what alternatives are there for people with dry skin conditions especially if they are very young (6 and 8 years old)?

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    1. Green People make some lovely products and have a great kids line! My son has very sensitive skin, eczema, and the organic baby soothing salve is perfect! We also use Earth Mama Angel Baby products. xx

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    2. Monika - please don't worry - it won't kill you! LOL
      Try Organic Pharmacy Dry Skin Cream - its ££ but brilliant.

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  34. What do you think about alcohol in makeup and skincare? Paula gives low rating to products with alcohol (especially denat) among their ingredients. Is she right?
    Thank you so much
    Mel

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    1. Anon, my personal view with alcohol is somewhat mixed though I don't think its horrible that some make out to be. This really depends what use of alchohol, type, and especially the amount. Alcohol can be used to serve as penetrator to bring the ingredients into your skin. I don't think one should be paranoid of alcohol but everyone needs to do their due diligence.

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    2. I personally don't have a problem with alcohol used in the correct manner. I.E. Clinique Clarifying Lotion No.4 - NO - others with less alcohol - yes...

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  35. I agree with KD's comment. She is criticizing how much the products are considering what is actually in the products.

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  36. Your choice of words are wonderful, Caroline. Paula has "battled" an industry with great zeal and her appearances, books and website is a great opportunity for women to look past the hype of the beauty industry. That being said, I have always felt that there was a "self motivated" aspect of her reviews. Objectivity is impossible, I get it ....but you always, directly, state your assessment and throw it out into the "eithers" ........No hipocrisy....take it or leave it attitude.
    I respect that. thank you.....Suzanne

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  37. I'm gonna read the article in mineral oil right away.

    could I ask you if you can recomend a cleanser (preferable a balm) for very dry mature (35yrs) skin that dosn't have nut-oils in them? jojoba, shea and coconut is ok. But all others I'm more or less allergic to. Now I use Liz Earle cloth and polish and a swedish brand called Maria Åkerberg Olive oil cleansing.

    Thanks alot.

    Love Nina from sweden.

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    1. Oh god if you're allergic to natural oils you should probably consider mineral oil cleansing. Its generic - and as you're dry it shouldn't break you out.

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  38. I don't see mineral oil in the ingredient list for the Paula's Choice product.

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  39. The review that you have a problem with says, "The mineral-oil base removes makeup, but so would plain mineral oil and you wouldn’t have to contend with the potent irritants included, namely clove, eucalyptus, eugenol, and isoeugenol." It did't seem that the negative review was based on mineral oil alone, but rather more on it containing irritants and the price for what you get. Paula's Choice products and the education from their site have changed my skin for the better. I am 40 and people constantly think I am in my 20's. I have learned (the hard way on my skin and wallet) that price, high end designer names with fancy packaging, and hype do not guarantee a good product. The inclusion of fragrance (fragrance it not skincare), unnecessary ingredients like menthol, and essential oils in products I used to used wreaked havoc on my skin in the past with irritation. Paula and her team seem to strive to educate consumers and they have many good reviews on products, if you looked for them. I have found other non-Paula's Choice products with their reviews that I use currently.

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    1. I agree. The review you are reading has been modified to give much more detail.

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  40. Is there a difference between mineral oil and mineral oil-derived products? Hydraluron contains butylene glycol which is a derivative of mineral oil but this is still a recommended product? And what is your opinion on other oils like coconut and argan (particularly as moisturisers - I've heard mixed things)

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    1. Oils are good for moisturising as ingredients - but just slapped on the skin alone they won't penetrate. They'll protect in essence.
      Derivatives are different from the mineral oil which is thicker and more likely to cause breakouts

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    2. Thank you for clarifying :)

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  41. Can you use fresh lemon juice on acne scars to fade them?

    THANKS!

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    1. Only if you plan to make gin & tonic afterwards. No.

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    2. Ok I'm way late to this discussion. However Ms Hirons' reply is a prime example of why I have become addicted to her blog and read large amounts of early posts from her. Brilliant

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  43. Hi Caroline! What day/night moisturiser would you recommend for a normal/dry skin with sensitivity due to eczema? I'm 25 and my price point is anything less than 100 quid at the moment. Obviously if there's an eczema episode really bad then I use my steroid cream with ointment. But mostly my skin is normal/dry with sensitivity. Also it can't stand perfume(obviously) or any ingredient that is strong in the smell even if it's natural. I've tried Clarins Gentle, Dr Hauschka Rose, Origins Mega Mushroom. Clinique doesn't do anything for my face as it's mostly petrolatum based. They all didn't really help. What would you recommend? I'm really happy for your success and just wanted to say you SO deserve it!

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    1. I know you're incredibly busy and I really appreciate your help Caroline!

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  44. Can I use my retinol the same night I use my P50?
    Thanks Caroline, I adore you and this blog!

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  45. Thanks to Caroline again for bringing this subject back to light. I even did a mini expose on my blog taking snapshots of a few popular moisturizers. I tried to be fair and balanced but this stuff overall is not good

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  46. I think you need to revise this post and thoroughly read those reviews you point to. Paula Begoun has never said anything negative about mineral oil or petrolatum, and she definitely did not in those two reviews you linked. That "negative light" is really your perception, and we all know where you stand when it comes to mineral oil. Her negative review on the Eve Lom's product is based on the presence of irritants, lack of antioxidants and cell-communicating ingredients, as well as their steep prize. Whatever your stand is on Paula Begoun's work or approach to skin care, you have a credibility with your readers that you should strive to keep. Most of your readers are probably not going to read PB's reviews, they'll just take your word. This post is highly misleading.

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    1. I disagree. The original reviews were open to interpretation. The reviews showing now have been clarified.
      Thank you for saying I have a credibility with my readers. I like to think so. And I think the amount of comments shows that people clicked through and read the reviews for themselves.
      I think the readers of this blog are highly informed, opinionated and to be respected. It would be hard for me to mislead them.

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  47. I didn't know where to post this, it won't go under that other thread, it's not a yes or no so trying my luck here:

    Can you recommend an alternative for SEROZINC?
    And one for P50 aside from the Clarins one?

    I am from the Philippines, tropical/humid country.
    Not a lot of your recommendations are available here. :(
    Mature skin, bad habits, acidic skin (who knows what that means exactly. Nothing on Google. To me it means make up stays on for no longer than 2 hours).

    THANK YOU <3

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    1. Not really - you can take zinc orally which also helps - but it obvs different to spraying on the skin LOL
      Any toner with any acid is a start in the right direction - except ascorbic - that's just vit c.

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    2. Thank you, thank you, thank you! Er, I also posted this in the Cleansing thread, and I said/asked a bit more there, LOL and sorry. But if you still have time, have a look at it, too. Thanks again, this means a lot.

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  48. Hi Caroline,

    I am dehyrated but acne prone and oily at times. Congested pores esp on chin and nose. Constant breakouts on chin, once a year on the nose. Mosty clear cheeks and forehead. Using Shiseido The Skincare - the only regime that balance my skin with their hyaluronic ingredients. Anything new will caused more cystic breakouts on the chin. Tried oil-free moisturiser doesn't seem to moisturize enough and caused more breakouts (I suspect due to the dehydration)

    Using a hydrating foundation, anything oil-free seems to dry out the chin area and caused cheeks to be oilier.

    Questions:
    1. Want to try AHA/BHA/Glycolic acid. Tried twice in my entire life and broke me out severely, leaving ice pick scars. What kind of product should I try to reduce past acne scars and some new sun spots?

    2. I also read that Salicylid Acid should be in mosturisers/serums, not cleansers. Is this correct?

    Thank you, love your blog

    x
    Ren

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    1. Im obviously not Caroline,but have you tried Skin Doctors ?
      My daughter suffered from exzema and adult acne and after using this set Accelaration cleanser,gamma hydroxy plus supermoist Spf 30 on top -not at night as we dont use spf at night.
      Also zit zapper for the acnes

      Now her skin is so much better and hardly any pimples. A few scars are left and her skin is clearer and more moist.

      Im sure Caroline has a better suggestion,but ou can check them out and see? My daughter got her on Ebay as we live in Norway where they dont sell Sin Doctors anymore :(

      Caroline said Saliicsyric acid is best for people with oiler skin,but not for drier. You must fix the skin before you fix the acne is my exsperience.


      Good luck!

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  49. Hi Caroline, I found beautypedia about 2 years ago, and have since used it many times when looking at products,both skincare and makeup and their ingredients. I have managed to become a bit of a cosmetic cop myself, and I think it's a great thing for us all to do. I have used quite a few of Paula's choice products, and have had great results with her BHA, and AHA's and beautiful hydrating toners and serums ( BHA's so brilliant for blackheads and congestion and her BHA 9 treatment is like your pores new best friend *sigh*) Would love to know your thoughts when you try them out! Also almost hitting the bottom of my first pot of EM balm *more sighing* gorgeous bloody stuff!! And as much as recommendations from trusted sources are amazing ( fell off my chair when you replied to me on IG ) sometimes you gotta just learn about stuff for yourself and give it a go, sometimes you hit the jackpot, sometimes its a big fat lemon. I always look at ingredients, always. Anyway, sorry,rambling on, first day school holidays down here so must be in some sort of shock... Lou :)

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  50. First off I wanted to Thank You, for all the wonderful information you give us, the non insiders.

    My baby(14 yrs old, still baby for me) was recently diagnosed with sebhorric dermatitis. Would you have any recommendations for her skin? She has mild white heads on her forehead for which her Dr gave epiduo(adapalene and benzoyl peroxide) and uses xelogel(ketoconazole-anti fungal) for her SD. She uses a La roche posay toleriane glycerin cleanser and take probiotic tabs(double dose,biotin tabs and also use yogurt masks with probiotic mixed in. She has clear skin everywhere else other than the parts with the SD, which is around her nose and mouth mostly.
    Any advice would be greatly appreciated, as a mother I feel helpless that I don't have a solution for her.

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  51. I don't like mineral oil as well. I would love a post on how to read certain ingredients and the different names used for that ingredient. Especially mineral oil!

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  53. Well...I just started reading your blog after seeing the chat with Pixiwoo. You were awesome. I came across this post about the Moisture Boost cream and I had to stop and read because I use this same exact moisturizer. Off and on for a couple of years now, I've used Paula's products because when I first started, I noticed a difference for the better in my skin. I'm prone to being dry and up until a few months ago, had no issues with the Moisture Boost moisturizer. Lately I've been noticing small clusters of tiny bumps all over my face and it's not as smooth as before. I have no actual breakouts, just the clogged pore looking bumps. I've tried her more "moisturizing" toners and find I become more dry. I stop the toners, the dryness stops. Now I'm beginning to wonder if the issues I'm experiencing are due to the Moisture Boost. Thanks for bringing this up. I've always sort of felt the same way as previous posters-- she has all these reviews that seem mostly negative on so many products while tooting her own products and several of her other products that I've tried I didn't enjoy at all. Time to try another routine!

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  54. I've been struggling with my skin for several months now. No obvious breakouts, just small bunches of small bumps which I'm fairly sure are just small congested pores. I have somewhat dry skin and about a year ago, came across Paula's Choice and started using the products. At first, I had no problems and noticed an improvement in my skin but as I stated, the last few months haven't been quite as good. I use that Moisture Boost cream both am and pm since I tend to be so dry. Now I'm wondering if that's what is causing the small bumps. I was also using one of her "moisturizing" toners and noticed I still felt dry, if not more dry. The dryness stopped once I stopped using the toner. Interesting. Thank you for bringing this to light!

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  55. Hi Caroline,

    I do think you're clutching at straws a little here. Any close read of the reviews proves they never condemn mineral oil, it is the fragrances WITHIN that are the major culprit of PB's concern (in fact, check the Pros and Cons list in each of the reviews, mineral oil is never listed as a con). Personally, as soon as I stopped using products with "natural" fragrant oils, my irritated acne cleared up within one day. Paula's products changed my skin so much that it is as close to a miracle as I have ever seen, and so I find it unfortunate that you still push products filled with such ingredients, given the clear scientific evidence supporting the detriment they cause to skin.

    If we're talking about giving a clear message, you need to take your own advice perhaps.

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    1. Hi Anonymous,

      As I mentioned numerous times before - the review you are reading is the revised version. The original review had NO pros or cons - it's was very unclear.
      I'm always happy when people find solutions to their problem skins - I couldn't be happier for you.

      I think my message was and is clear - I don't recommend blanket avoidance of essential oils because they are not an allergen for all people. I think THAT message is unclear and misleading to be honest.
      And remember - everything is someone's opinion. Paula's opinion, my opinion - all based on a mixture of science, feedback, research and experience.

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    2. Thank you for your prompt response regarding the revision of the reviews (hopefully it is beneficial that PC did take your concerns on board.) I suppose I will agree to disagree on the point about essential oils. Admittedly yes, my own experience gears me towards all things fragrance free - however allergens aside, so many fragrant oils when exposed to sunlight can cause damage to skin, so even if one was not reacting to the fragrance itself this alone would be enough cause for concern. With your own sound advice on regular SPF use I would think that would be something of a worry.

      I feel that many of the benefits you suggest come from essential oils are those that could easily be duplicated by other ingredients (natural or synthetic) that have no, or at least much less, potential to irritate, and are also fragrance free (surely you will agree that what goes on your face does not NEED to smell good, (after all that's what perfume is for). I often see individuals seeking your advice whom describe a skin type so very akin to my own at its worst, and yet unfortunately products filled with fragrant oils are recommended in new routines, and while they may not prove to irritate some individuals (on a surface level), I wonder whether it would be worth noting more clearly in your acne cheat sheet an essential oil free routine for those who have no luck with anything else.

      At the end of the day, I enjoy reading your blog very much, and it is your willingness to interact that keeps me coming back, so regardless of whether my points come to anything, I thank you for replying :)

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  56. After deciding to try a new skincare routine following some of your suggestions (the products that are available to me), I went online on Macy's site to order the Clinique Take the Day Off Cleansing Balm and the Clarins Chamomile Lotion Toner and both are "currently unavailable", as well as the other Clarins toners. Either that's coincidence, or you are getting your message across to people!!

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  57. I agree with Helena that mineral oils can be very confusing. Thanks for trying to clear it up.

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  58. I don't know much about Paula Begoun, but I've mostly stayed away from her line because it seems shady the way it's advertised to me, everytime I saw an ad I just didn't get a good feeling about it. The Mineral oil debacle sounds like the ultimate in shady acts. I think a company should be able to stand fully behind their products, and if they've changed their stance on something they need to make it public.

    Mana
    Fashion and Happy Things

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  59. Aren't you a fan of Clarins? Don't they love Mineral Oil? Aren't you just a tad hypocritical?

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    1. I politely suggest you read my review of Clarins Double Serum.

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  60. I don't see what's the confusion about Paula's Choice Team's opinion about mineral oil. It's a good skin protectant, effective for dry skin, can't clog pores, not much on it's own, but still a worthwhile ingredient (that's why they've used it in their product). The negative review of both those products are based on the presence of irritants, the high price tag, and their relative simplicity. The cleanser isn't recommended for acne-prone/oily skin because they believe those people should be using water-based cleanser and not something that presents a problem to be removed. The mineral oil won't clog pores, but the other ingredients might, and if you have oily skin and don't remove your cleanser well, it is bound to get worst.
    You should update this post, since the reviews were updated, because they way they are written now, there is no confusion.

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    1. And you are obviously from Paula's Choice Team... 'you should update this post, since..' Are you serious? If they were written right, why have you updated them?

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    2. Same reason millions of people update their posts, including Caroline, including dictionaries, and textbooks - because informations changes and sometimes what is written needs clarifying.

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    3. Dear All,
      I'm not updating my post. They updated their review - and I added a postscript at the beginning of the page. Thanks.

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    4. Which isn't an update? Wow. It's a "postscript". You've added on to your original post. Why keep duking it out? It's been updated, big deal. I doubt everything you have ever set out to do or write was perfectly clear from the start. Give Paula a break. It's your blog - I come here to read about beauty, not to hear you trash and bash another woman. Please think about how this looks to your many readers - all beauty related and than slandering. Just let it go and move on.

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    5. Look 'Anon':
      I am not 'duking it out' with anyone. I HAVE moved on.
      And if I cared about your opinion I would be offended at the comment 'trash and bash' - I HAVE never and would NEVER slag off Paula.
      It was the review. Pure and simple.
      I highly suggest YOU move the bloody hell on!

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  61. Paula has engaged in this type of shenanigans before. For the longest time, she hated toners. Then - BANG - she changes her mind.... because she launched one.

    I guess everyone has a price. Thing is, mineral oil IS a filler - whether harmful or not. Why would the self-appointed cosmetics cop want to stuff her products with filler? Doesn't that work against her ethos?

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  62. I have followed this tread for the longest time now and want to throw in infor from doctors about mineral oils. Not people who read something that someone ones said.

    You Do know that when the oil industry has taken everything of value there is residue left over that they cant use for anything so they sell it to cosmetic industry?
    So basicly it ruins car engines.........so its safe for you to splash on your face? What are you idiots? Sorry

    anyhuh Not from the word of mouth from the lovely Paul or other people paid to say things about products, BUT from serious studies done on skin and on mice ( sorry mice :()

    Sandra Kleinaus reaserch rapport 1993
    Parafin liquidium is stored in your body and can cause arterithis. If she stroked mineral oil on the skin of mice they soaked it up.
    Aspects of Adjuvants in Experimental Arthritis and Autoimmunity. By Sandra Kleinau 1993.
    ISBN 91-554-3177-1

    In eviroments where they work with mineral oils there are warning signs on the wall saying if the oil touches your skin rinse immediatly and wash with soap and water until its removed.
    So if its so safe to use how come they MUST wash it off?

    It also inhibits your own natural oil production and cause block up to 60% of your skins pores.

    So girls and boys still wanna smear this crap all over yourselves? Go ahead :)

    I want to say one thing though -if you supper from severe excema and your skin dries out it can sometimes be excuseable to use lotions and creams with minerals oils on top of your medicated creams to allow the skin to heal. But once it has healed throw it away. I have been in the hospitol because all my skin came off due to severe allergies.The skin litterally was rotten and fell off in chunks. Evry one who visited me had to wear masks and I was a guinniepig for the med students as they hadnt seen such a severe case.
    I have been on cortizone creams from I was 16 until I was 34 constantly every day. I had light theraphy and oil baths and God knows what else because my problems where so many with both dry and wet excema. Ofcourse I couldnt work,nobody wants to be around people who cant touch anything because their hands and arms are covered with bandages.

    After I was finally released from the hospitol after a few months.
    I got a list over products from the pharmacy to use because they where so safe. I bought it and used it and I didnt get better, My bed was covered in blod when I woke up and my clothes was stuck to my skin because of all the soars and I though F*** this shit.
    I know better,Im gonna fix this no matter what. Im sick and tired of being sick and tired and haveing pains and feeling ugly and useless.
    I threw all away and bought a skincare line based on Dead Sea minerals, no SLS no parabens and no mineral oils. I cried in the shower because the salt hurt so much,but after a few days my wounds where closing and healing. And to this day 15 years later I dont even have a scar. Evryone is amazed at the hospitol and had never seen a recovery like that from months with loosing skin to my turn around.
    They never acctually thought I would have healed skin again.

    So this is my story and I can also say that during the time and many years I have uses cortizone creams and mineral oils I have had aches in my joints. Esepcially on my hands and legs when I had the most outbreaks. Ive lost the skin on my hands twice and my legs twice. The rest of body only once haha.
    But now I take fish capsules and DONT USE cortizone creams and I was using the strongest there is.
    I also work in the skincare industry and I am 47 and nobody belives me because I acctually have no wrinkles and my skin isnt flawless I have the famous pors and stuff,but heck I have skin and its whole and not filles with puss and sacales :)

    Sorry for my bad spelling and grammar. I am Norwegian,but I do hope the message is clear.

    ~Lin from Bergen Norway

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  63. Her reviews seems to point to emollients as the pore cloggers ( i have combo skin so i cannot cope with thick emollients :p) but it is slightly confusing as she does not point to mineral oil as being bad specifically but to thick emollients as the culprit ( it WILL clog my oily parts :( )

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  64. Hi Caroline, huge fan of this blog and it has helped my skin greatly! Am also a huge fan of Paula Begoun and her products and have clicked the links you left for her negative mineral oil based review and I totally disagree. The only negative reference I get from both reviews is that the brand is over charging for a basic cheap ingriedients and then using addition irritants in the mix that out weigh the emollient benefits. She doesn't once refer to Mineral oil as a bad or harmful ingredient. I am not for or against mineral oil, just looked at the reviews thoroughly and felt the need to defend them.

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    1. Natalie with the hugest amount of respect, as I state at the beginning of the post, what you are reading is the revised review. This blog post refers to the original review.

      Thanks,

      C

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