Friday, 12 September 2014

Acid Toning Part One

Oh it was always going to be a long one wasn't it?


If you are a new reader (WELCOME!) you can read more about the importance of acids on the cheat sheets over there----->

The rest of you will be au fait with my thinking so let's crack on with the products in Part 1.

P50/V/W/1970 Biologique Recherche - Lactic, usnic, salicylic and ascorbic acids. Niacinamide - brill. The first and still far and away one of the best. Around £50.00

Bravura Purifying Calendula Toner - 10% glycolic, 3% lactic. Lots of info on the website - the PH is 3.8. Marvellous! And it WAS £8.00 and 39p. A great budget buy.

Cane & Austin Retexturizing Treatment Pads - 10% glycolic, retinyl palmitate and ubiquinone - great ingredients designed for anti-ageing and pigmentation. (Also available from Beauty Bay - not just SpaceNK as I say in the video)

Colbert MD Intensify Facial Pads - Bromelain (pineapple enzymes), lactic acid and glucosamine. Exfoliating discs designed to mimic the effects of microdermabrasion. Glycolic-free. Beautiful product.

Colbert MD Tone Control - These are aimed at damage caused by pigmentation and contain inflacin (massive anti-inflammatory), Phytomoist Qusome (400 times more active than sodium hyaluronate), CoQ10 and ubiquinone. perfect for an older skin plagued by/worried about pigmentation.

Dennis Gross M.D. Alpha Beta Peel Original Formula - Disc One contains glycolic, lactic, malic and salicylic acids, genistein. Disc Two contains green tea extract, phospholipids and sodium bicarbonate. Gentle enough for every day use without losing efficacy. 

Dennis Gross M.D. Extra Strength Alpha Beta Peel - Disc One contains glycolic, malic, lactic, citric, mandelic and salicylic acids. Disc Two follows up with retinol, genistein, ubiquinone and resveratrol. Hardcore. Brilliant for anti-ageing.

Dennis Gross M.D. Alpha Beta Glow Pads - contain vitamin D, glycolic and lactic acid along with DHA to both be anti-ageing and impart a glow.
N'est pas que le génie ?

Environ AVST Toner - niacinamide and lactic acid make this another glycolic-free option. The Environ website is awful so this links to the UK distributor which carries more info.

First Aid Beauty Facial Radiance Pads - Affordable, gentle enough for daily use. Lactic and glycolic in an aloe vera base. One of my most-used products this year.

Thanks for watching. Part Two is coming.

72 comments:

  1. Caroline,
    Thank you very much. You R awesome.

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  2. So helpful. Can you please do a cheat sheet on adding supplements to your diet? Many many thanks

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  3. Excellent - looking forward to part 2!
    Does this mean the Cane & Austin pads still meet with your approval after the whole 'acetone scandal'?

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  4. Hey Caroline! Truly loving all the videos. I have the p50 and the first aide toners. Thanks for the suggestions. In your opinion what is a good serum and eyecream for the next step. If $ was not an option and anti aging was on he menu.
    Thanks

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  5. THis is so helpful and I've definitely included acid toners into my routine since discovering your blog. Would you be so kind as to explain where Sunday Riley Good Genes fits in? I usually use it at night after P50. thanks so much, Caroline!

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  6. Thanks for the video. If I cleanse with a 15% glycolic acid cleanser does this mean I don't need to worry about this stage & can I overdo the acid toning?thanks

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    1. You shouldn't bother with AHA's in your cleansers because its not sitting on the skin long enough to really do anything.

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    2. I have a cleanser with AHAs in and it only really works if you leave it on like a mask while you're cleansing, I put it on, leave it 5-10 minutes and then rinse and find it works just fine.

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    3. Says who? I can really feel it working on my skin & I let it sit on my skin for a few mins so your telling me it's doing nothing!

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  7. Great post once again! So informative.
    Does anyone know an good websites that ship the biologique recherché p50 to the uk? I've been dying to get my hands on it.

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    1. Yes me too - please help!

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    2. Yes me too - anyone know??

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    3. I don't know of any Onlineshops that ship P50 to the UK but BR does have a UK website with an option to contact them. I'm sure they will be able to help you find a shop that ships to the UK or maybe even a spa or something close to where you live that sells their products.

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  8. Great post! Which one of these acids would be best for hormonal acne/ red hormonal acne scarring? I have been using p50 1970 for a little over a month and it has definitely improved my skin. However, it hasn't seemed to help with the scarring. Thanks again for the great post!

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  9. Caroline, can you use an acid toner after an exfoliating cleanser ( from the previous videos)? Acid toner in the evening, exfoliating cleanser in the morning ( a few times a week)? Thanks a lot

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    1. Also confused re physical exfoliation and acids!!

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  10. I loved this video! Your post about P50 is what started my obsession all that time ago... and now it seems discovering and buying acid toners is one of my favourite hobbies. My skin is infinitely better for it.

    My faves so far are.... P50V 1970 (tried the EU version too, but 1970 is better!), Pixi, First Aid Beauty & Ren. Need to give Peter Thomas Roth & Dennis Gross a whirl.

    Cannot wait for part 2.

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  11. Wonderful video! Please explain why/if it's best to apply acid toner with a cotton pad or could you spritz them on? Mostly I ask because it seems wasteful to throw away so many pads everyday. (I go threw four pads a day). But I am curious as to your thoughts.

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  12. You are AMAZING. Thanks so much for your posts. You recommended Omega 3 supplements for my hormonal acne (I am taking that + Zinc) and my skin looks SO MUCH BETTER. I can't thank you enough. I still have spots, but a lot less noticeable and almost tiny in comparison! You are THE guru. That plus Pixi glow tonic has saved my face in a way dermatologists over years haven't!! So far, so good! I'm keeping fingers crossed that my face wont revel again even with all your wisdom applied... :)

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    1. Hii! Just wondering how long it took you to see results with the omegas? Thanks!

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  13. Caroline, (second post, as a couple of questions came up to me as I was researching on toners online!)
    Could you add which active ingredient each product has? (some brands are rather rubbish at putting a whole list of ingredients in and acid percentages!) I am looking for salycilic specifically (acne prone skin) - As I just said I used Pixi glow tonic, which is glycolic acid, in my previous post, so I'd like a second toner with salycilic but with such frumpy ingredients lists this is proving complicated...
    -Taking about acid percentages: what is a good percentage of acid for a toner?
    -And finally: does a good toner need to have a mix of acids or should we just stick to the one good for our skin type (ie dry -- glycolic/lactic, oily -- salycilic)?
    Thanks again!

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    1. Incase it helps here are a few salicylic acid toners I've tried (none purely salicylic, I think, they all have a mix):
      Clarins exfoliating toner
      Peter Thomas Roth gentle complexion correction
      Peter Thomas Roth Max complexion correction (46% alcohol, beware!)
      La Roche posay clarifying toner from New 3 step system only
      Favourite from them has been the PTR gentle, so far. And think Caroline recommends to mix it up!

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    2. Ooh how did you find the La Roche Posay one, im tempted to buy the set to try it

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  14. Loving these videos! I have, sensitive (allergic!) still prone to spots kind of skin, so am a bit wary of anything too "acid-y" so I was wondering if you had any thoughts on the Dermaflannel from Bravura?

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  15. Hi Caroline, thanks for this post I have 2 questions:
    1) Is the P50 Glycolic-free? It isn't listed in the ingredients but also not listed as a "glycolic-free option". SOrry just want to check as the site link doesn't seem to list the ingredients and I think I glycolic breaks me out.
    2) Are these products safe to use in pregnancy and would you recommend doing so? I've had a bad hormonal spot break out and I think I need to up the skincare routine! Thanks.

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  16. Thanks Caroline- great,informative video as always ( rushes to add to never ending product wish list...!) Your recommendations have worked wonders for my skin,thanks so much for taking the time to put videos and blog posts together for us. Just wondering does anyone know of a website that would ship p50 to ireland?

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  17. It has been the hardest summer of my life and you have kept me laughing and beautiful. You are a funny, brilliant angel! Thank you! xoxo

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  18. It has been the hardest summer of my life and you have kept me laughing and beautiful! I'm 38 and my skin has never looked better! You are a brilliant, funny angel. Thank you! xoxo

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  19. Do you recommend any of the other products by Bravura - they seem very good value. E.g. the hyaluronic acid serum? http://www.bravuralondon.com/featured/hyaluronic-acid-serum50ml.html
    Thanks so much!x

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  20. I've been waiting so long for this! Thank you Caroline!!
    I was wondering which you would recommend for hormonal spotty skin? I get big cystic spots around my skin and little congested bumps around my forehead... the cane & austin acne pads worked wonders on me for a few months but have stopped being as effective... is this normal?

    Alsom should you moisturise after using these, or does this make it loose it's effectiveness (as per Alpha H instructions).

    Advice would be SO appreciated!

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  21. Another great post! One question please, would you recommend all these for daily use for someone who starts now to experiment with acids? I already use the FAB pads every night and they are great and I change with the REN clarifying toner in the morning (did they add alcohol in this one?), no irritation at all but if I wanted something a bit stronger what would you recommend? Thank you so much.

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  22. Thanks for another great video, Caroline! If applying a vitamin C serum after an acid toner, how long do you recommend waiting between applying the two products so as not to compromise efficacy? To be more specific, I currently use the Biologique Recheche P50 1970 toner followed by a spritz of La Roche Posay Serozinc and then a few drops of Skinceuticals C E Ferulic serum. Thanks again!

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    1. Oh miss kitty - I am living your product choices - how do you find Skinceuticals??

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    2. Why thank you! I heed the skincare gurus and follow their advice to a tee! The Skinceuticals serum, IMHO, is the absolute king of vitamin c products. Worth every (pretty) penny. :)

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  23. What are your thoughts on the REN Claryfying Toner? http://www.feelunique.com/p/REN-Clarifying-Toner-150ml#buy-this-product

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    1. Caroline has recommended the REN toner in other posts. I have the this toner... it's good, on the milder end of the scale for acid toners.

      All CH's posts on REN: http://www.carolinehirons.com/search/label/REN

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  24. Thanks for another indulgent video, Caroline! I'm already a P50 fan thanks to you, and luckily live relatively close to the one place on the whole country that sells it!!!???
    I must confess, though, I bought TWO cleansers this week, a pot of the old Clarins one (!!!!) and the Alpha H you recommended.
    By the way, I liked the fact you show how to use the product. And stupid question - how many drops of P50 should one use per application?
    Could you do a post on how to do a "facial" at home, i.e. combining masks, serums, oils etc.
    Thanks!!!

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    1. Which place is it that sells p50?

      Thank you!

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  25. Caroline, do you know what the % of glycolic is in the FAB pads - I can't find this info any where on the web!

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    1. Lisa, I emailed FAB with a similar question on some other pads and they were really helpful. Found the email on their website

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  26. Why Liberty doesn't stock P50 anymore? :/

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  27. The Bravura London website is jam packed with lots of interesting products. Thank you for introducing me to such an affordable brand. Your seal of approval makes me feel confident enough to order from them ;) wouldn't do it without you approving!

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  28. Unfortunately I can find none of these in Greece! (Cogratulation for your work!) What about Clinique Clarifying Lotion?

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  29. What do you think about the Nip + Fab Glycolic Fix Exfoliating Facial Pads? They seem to be working a treat on my hyperpigmentation and I am happy with them (really good value as well) but I am always interested in a second opinion...

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  30. Honestly live and breathe by P50V - best acid toner I've ever put on my face! Even being a broke college student I still have to have that as my one splurge ($60 for 5oz) but you get what you pay for :)

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  31. I have tried the clarins, first aid, pixi and alpha h toners. I have some melasma blotches on my cheeks and they, along with Retin a , aren't doing much. I actually think the pixi toner seems to darken the spots:(
    Any other suggestions to help?
    I do have sensitive skin that is pretty intolerant to oils and strong essential oils especially...

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  32. Have you used any other Bravura products Caroline?

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  33. Oh wow, this is so helpful, 100x thanks!

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  34. I wonder when the ingredients aren't spaceage or expensive and the science isn't cutting edge why Boots and Superdrug haven't produced their own acid toners?
    Acid toning seems universally beneficial for the majority of women so it's bizarre no one has thought it might be a winner.
    Since discovering your wise advice my face has been transformed by a bottle of Pixi Glow which was my price point.
    I'm 51.

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  35. Maybe kind of a stupid question but... if P50 is the best, why alternate day/night with another toner?

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  36. Please oh please do something like this on retinol products/ vitamin A. I really want to start using them but don't know where to start. Thank you

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    1. There's a whole article on retinols that was posted by Caroline this year on Aug 3: http://www.carolinehirons.com/2014/08/beauty-myth-no-9-you-cant-use-retinols.html

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    2. Caroline posted an entire article just about retinols this year on Aug 3: http://www.carolinehirons.com/2014/08/beauty-myth-no-9-you-cant-use-retinols.html

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  37. Please do your next post on Retinols. 😀

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  38. uh oh she didnt mention the clarins toner she used to talk about... is this one no good?

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  39. Caroline,
    have you tried Lierac Tonique Eclat? It contains lactic, malic and tartaric acids as well as glycolic. Wonder what are your thoughts on this one.

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  40. Hi there, I live in South Africa so alot of these products are not available to me. Is the clarins acid toner still okay by your standards

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  41. Caroline, is e acetone aka nail polish remover in the cane + austin pads okay to be used? It will NOT tear off my skin on the long run, yes??

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  42. Ooh Retinols... Yes please... Currently using alpha h liquid gold and instant facial along with FAB pads. Loving how my skin feels but still needs a kick up the ass looks wise.

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  43. Hi Caroline, thanks so much for taking the time to do the video!!!! I was just curious about the inclusion of acetone in the Cane and Austin pads. What are your thoughts on this? Acetone seems horribly irritating, stripping, and perhaps even dangeous on facial skin, no? I mean, it removes nail polish haha. Again, thank you so much for the vid, and can't wait till part 2. I just got a sample of P50 1970 and am LOVING it!!

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  44. I've always wondered, does using a hydrating toner as you suggest after something like Clarins or Pixi exfoliating toners, "cancel" out the exfoliation?

    I usually use Queen of Hungary Mist or Serozinc and am always paranoid about it canceling out any acid exfoliating goodness. Really hope you see this! Thanks :)

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  45. thanks where do we find P50/V/W/1970 Biologique Recherche - in the uk?

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    1. EF Medispa were previously recommended as UK stockists, worth a try? 1970 not available in UK. Search for Carolines post 'P50 and a lack of oomph' for explanation

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  46. Great videos Caroline! Love how frank you are! Have you tried the bliss glycolic resurfacing pads? I use them and PGT, wondered what you thought of them xx

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  47. Hello Caroline! I love your blog. So much good advice! I'm tempted to try acid toning but I'm a little worried as in the past I've tried products with salicylic acid in them, I've ended up with a delightful rash/flaky skin reaction. I want to try the First Aid wipes as they're mildest, but do you think I'd be ok using lactic/glycolic acid products?
    I've developed lovely hormonal acne around chin/jawline the past couple of years and while its a bit more under control now (down to only a few new ones every month) I've got some small red scars and hard bumps under the skin which take ages to fade. If acid toning is something that can help with old and new spots then I really want to try it! Thanks in advance if you do have time to answer and sorry its long - your advice for dealing with acne on your blogs has helped me so much already!

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  48. Till I found your blog I'd not even heard of acid toners, now I'm all about reading the ingredients and I acid tone daily. My skin has been amazing since starting this step and I've had far less hormonal spots and those I've had have cleared up faster. Thanks Caroline for such fantastic advice. I'm spreading the word about your blog every chance I get.

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  49. Hi Caroline! What΄s your opinion about Lierac Prescription Solution Keratolytique Anti-imperfections?

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  50. A glycolic acid cream works well as a daytime moisturizer on oily skin

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