Saturday, 7 March 2015

Brands you won't see reviewed on here.



There are a few brands that I am asked about frequently either in comments or on my social media channels. This is happening more and more so I thought a very simple post would clarify.

Without going into minute detail - and certainly without linking to them anywhere (google is your friend) - you will not see a review of any of the following brands on this site, ever.

Oro Gold
Arbonne
Younique
Skincerity
Proactiv 

I think those are the main ones but by all means if you think of any other brand that has a 'reputation' that I haven't mentioned, leave a comment below and I will adjust the post accordingly - but be aware this post is based on the ethos of a range as a whole, not individual products.

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  1. I'm just here for the comments.
    Grabs popcorn

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  2. I'm with ya
    Grabs some nachos

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    1. This is a good brand actually

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  4. I don't know any of this brands but I appreciate you for your consequences.
    xx from Bavaria/Germany, Rena www.dressedwithsoul.com

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    1. I don't know the brands except for proactiv, but it seems several of them are multi-level marketing (aka pyramid schemes).

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  5. How about skin temple truffle cream ?

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    1. This is not about individual products, but the ethos of a range. I'll add that! thx.

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  6. Hmmm a workmate joined Arbonne. Gave me some samples to try - most were okay, but the serum OMFG burnt my face like nothing else ever. I looked like I'd been using an old fashioned tanning bed thingy! Hated it.

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    1. The same thing happened to me: workmate joined Arbonne and gave me samples, I don't have sensitive skin at all but the serum set my skin on fire (well, figuratively, not literally obv). I looked like a beetroot for a little while.

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    2. My friend joined Arbonne too. Ironically because I turned her to Caroline to fix her eldest boy's facial eczema. I should google the brand and see what they're at.

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    3. On fire is right! I use LG and it doesn't burn - my skin has never reacted like this before! Scary! Threw it all out!

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    4. OMG!! A friend just sent me the Arbonne sample set and catalog. I haven't touched it. I've gotten the impression ( no research or proof) that it's something you have to purchase thru a rep or friend? Which I totally despise. And that it posibly something you have to have a suscription too? HATE THAT TOO. 😱

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  7. Never heard of the other three brands but would love to know whar the problem with Arbonne is. I've been using their night cream for years and think it's fab! If it's ingredients then please explain as we need experts like you to educate us as to what we should be avoiding. Thanks.

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    1. If it works for you by all means don't stop on my account! This about the business model.

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    2. Hi Caroline I'm sorry to spam here but I really need your help!!

      Im 20 years old and have combination skin, oily around t zone, nose and chin and normal-dry on cheeks. I used to be on yasmin to control my skin and basically no skincare routine, pears soap and e45 cream plus dalacin on topical spots which are hormonal. I really did not have any problems with my skin and got maybe 1 spot a month. But last summer everything just fell apart and this just didn't work for me anymore, I switched pills to microgynon but after that didn't improve it, and after discovering your blog, I realised how wrong my skin care routine was!!

      My routine is: (using a flannel)

      Morning
      REN ever calm milk cleanser
      REN clarifying toner
      clinique dramatically different moisturising lotion (oil free)

      Evening
      Body Shop camomile cleansing oil to remove make up
      REN clay cleanser
      REN clarifying toner
      Clarins lotus oil (not regularly because not sure its working for me)
      No7 essential moisture night cream

      I also use clay masks once a week but following your advice always follow with a hydrating mask. Problem is i have TONS (literally half my forehead) of small under the surface spots, that just form a spotty mass across the middle of my face and can't be covered up with make up. Sometimes these form whiteheads/cysts which i deal with following your cheat sheet advice, but most of the time they just stay there. I'm nervous about exfoliating because I don't want to use anything too harsh, but have been drying the LUSH cleansing exfoliator you recently recommended but I haven't noticed any results that last beyond half a day! PLEASE tell me if there is anything in my routine I'm missing out on. I haven't touched the dalacin since this new routine because I understand it probably isn't effective anymore, but Im so stuck with what to do because I can't see where Im going wrong. I'm nervous to see a dermatologist because I assume they'll just recommend me to another anti-biotic, but i literally have no idea what to do

      PLEASE help me your advice has been so helpful and I feel there just must be something obvious I'm missing in my routine, and I would be so grateful for your help

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    3. It sounds like you might have milia? In which case check the cheat sheet for that and see if you can have a facial with extractions somewhere, as those generally need to be removed by a professional.

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    4. I was actually thinking it could be milia today but I don't fully understand how to identify milia as these don't have a head to them or anything! But will get it checked out by a professional anyway just to be sure :)

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    5. Simplyblue it seems you have closed comedones. Try using exfoliating acids and a OTC topical retinoid, if OTC does not work then just go to a dermatologist who can prescribe you one. I have had this problem myself in the past.

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    6. Milia generally don't have heads and need the surface of the skin to be slightly nicked with a sharp needle in order to extract them. Really wouldn't recommend trying it at home. Person above is right, exfoliating acids are probably best for a home treatment, but if you want extractions see a professional. Then use acids so they don't come back.

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  8. Isn't there that brand that calls its products things like 'nip and tuck' that you don't like too? Can't remember its name though.

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  9. They can't even give Oro Gold away. I feel sorry for the staff who have to stand outside all day giving out free samples trying to get people into the shop #desperate

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  10. I know I'm sick of the younique tarantula eye!!

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    1. Me too! And only showing the creepy 3 lashes that are super long compared to no mascara. Well no shit, any mascara looks better next to no mascara. Jeez. Rant over! Lol

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    2. Hahahaha girl yes, I will never understand how you can be both close enough to your mirror to be applying mascara but far enough away to think "Great!" afterwards

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  11. Caroline isn't passing judgement on individual Arbonne products, but the ethos of the brand. And I totally agree.

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  12. Forever Living!!

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  13. Kiehls? I've never seen any of their products mentioned on your blog, is there a particular reason why?

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    1. Nothing wrong with Kiehl's ethos.

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    2. I didn't think so, I love love love Kiehl's ethos and their brand I just wondered if there was a reason (apart from the obvious that you don't love/hate any of their products) that I never see them mentioned on your blog? :)

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    3. Caroline has specifically praised their eye cream with avocado (I know because I sought out samples after reading about it here in the comments). My method of seeing what Caroline thinks of a product or brand is to Google search this site only - e.g. Kiehl's site:carolinehirons.com - and scour the results.

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    4. Well don't I feel very silly now aha, Thank you for the tip Jackie D! :)

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    5. I used to love Keihls - mainly for their generous free samples it has to be said. I got my friend hooked on their vitamin C serum and it has done wonders for her. But I stopped using as soon as L'Oreal took over. Just don't like L'Oreals brand ethos at all and they are one of the worst for animal testing. I still miss the Keihls drawing paste (discontinued) - was great for drawing out zits ( and even splinters!).

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  15. Nip+Fab and Rodial give me the creeps in terms of emphasising being skinny rather than happy. The former name is gross (referencing cosmetic surgery) and the latter has Glamtox, Cougar Skin and previous form on generally being a bit crap in terms of ethos. I've never seen either of them mentioned by you, at all.

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    1. Nip+Fab! That's the one I meant in my comment above. Creepy creepy.

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    2. OP here. Nip+Fab are I think a diffusion line of Rodial, who have slimming products called stuff like 'size zero', 'tummy tuck' and 'boob job'. I feel like they had one called Crash Diet they had to pull because of people calling them out. The creepy apple does not fall far from the creepy tree.

      Also, the brand ambassador for N+F, Millie Mackintosh, is a part of something called the Skinny Bitch Collective, which claims to be about being 'strong not skinny' and yet all of their clients and reps are skinny and the main aim is to get a beach body. Whatever that is.

      I have a real bone to pick with both companies as you can see!!!

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    3. Oh and Rodial has a £750 anti-aging bee venom, placenta and 24 karat gold 'ultimate crème'. They are very elitist and so full of crap. :|

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    4. It really irks me when companies try to maintain a good image by being sending the whole "fit doesn't have to mean thin" message when they don't actually have anyone exhibiting those ideals. Actions will always speak louder than words.

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    5. Note to self! Thanks peeps. This comment feed has been very helpful. No creepy brands. Yuck!

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    6. I use rodial Dragons blood moisturiser.... Feel bad for using it after the hater comments but I love it!

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    7. Don't feel bad! If it works for you, crack on!

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  16. how about la prairie?

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    1. What's wrong g with la prairie?

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    2. This is about the ethos not the product. La Prairie have been on here ☺️

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    1. Talked about them on here before.

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    2. http://www.carolinehirons.com/search/label/Revive

      So you won't review their products as they still haven't explained themselves? [I agree if that's the case btw - I think you should stick to your guns!]

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    3. It's a whole other issue that I just don't have the breath to go in to tbh. They removed the EGF in the UK, but that was there USP and the prices didn't change - so what exactly are they selling now? *lies down in a dark room*

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  18. Ohhh god! Oro Gold... I mean who hasn't horrific experiences from this brand?! They stalked my boyfriend and me INTO a restaurant after they put some stupid swelling eyecream on him and we didn't want to buy it!

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    1. My brain almost short circuited trying to figure out what the hell I would do if I encountered this behavior. I've worked in retail before but I still tried to cling to whatever dignity I had.

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  19. A tiny bit unrelated but caroline - I just think you are fantastic.
    Thank you for all your time and efforts to helping people for free.
    You are a wonder.

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  20. There's a brand that has that really dodgy lip plumping venom, can't remember the name, maybe it's one of these brands? and Ohhhh my, the bloomin "ambassadors" or whatever the hell they call themselves of Younique are plastered all over my facebook! promising business careers and ridic amounts of money nevermind the makeup results. Good on you Caroline xxx

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    1. Are you thinking of DuWop's Lip Venom? Not sure I would call that dodgy as it has pretty standard ingredients for lip plumpers. The idea of plumpers in general is dodgy and all that irritation is unpleasant, IMO. But DuWop is just like any average company.

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    1. Nothing wrong with Avene - I wouldn't use the ones with mineral oil in personally, but the brand is fine.

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  23. Amen! I am so sick of their aggressive advertising and sales reps it's annoying! Go Caroline! (High fiving you)

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  24. Forever Flawless Diamond Skincare. Same illegal worker scams as OroGold. Same aggressive sales tactics.

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    1. Yes! They're in nearly every shopping centre. So needlessly aggressive, they do negging like OroGold does too!

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    2. Dead Sea Spa does the same things as Oro Gold in Australasia - similar sales staff practices, mall stands and HARD sell. Maybe has the same parent firm?

      http://www.3news.co.nz/nznews/key-events-in-the-dead-sea-spa-saga-2014070114#axzz3TjqQclXw

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    3. Gratiae is another one. They seem to be mushrooming all over the place here. I have to plan my route carefully to avoid them!

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    4. Premier by Dead Sea Premier - negging, they'll just dump a spoon of salt on your hand if you aren't quick enough to notice, since your hand has the salt already, they'll start massaging it and said the scrub works blah blah blah *enters hours of talking* http://www.premier-deadsea.com.hk/product/dead-sea-salt-scrub-herbal/

      PATHETIC. I just turned my face away from them whenever i'm passing by, and clutching my hands tightly LOL!

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    5. There's word out there - sourced by finding hundreds of customer complaints after searching for 'oro gold scam' on Google - that Dead Sea Spa and Oro Gold are from exactly the same people. Someone noticed that when a Dead Sea Spa shop closed, the exact same staff opened an Oro Gold one in its place. Not sure if legitimate, but sounds plausible given their similar sales techniques.

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    6. YES! Forever Flawless is so scammy it's untrue. They lured me into a shop for a demo once (Stupidly I accepted - it was raining) and did SUCH a hard sell. Agree with Lilith that 'negging' is a definite sales practice for them - the guy said to me faux-sympathetically 'oh I can tell you could be a beautiful woman...' They definitely prey on fears and vulnerability. Worst of all, there was an old lady in the shop buying pots of cream for £££.

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  25. Bloody Younique "presenters" constantly stalking me on Social Media. I DO NOT WANT YOUR FIBRELASH THANKS!! Same with the Forever Living people. What about Tropic, the one that has Alan Sugar's backing?

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  26. http://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/the-strange-case-of-the-israeli-hand-cream-pedlars

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    1. Omg yes Dead Sea! So freaking annoying!

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  27. Havnt seen any mention of Mario badescu? Although I am quite a new follower.

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    1. I think it's a very US market brand. Harsh foaming products and drying out lotions etc - they're not in this league of brand for tactics though. :)

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    2. mario badescu lied to their customers about the ingredients of their control cream, and so they pulled it from the market and there is a settlement..I wish everyone knew about this..customers that used the control cream now suffer from topical steroid withdrawal

      http://www.classaction.org/mario-badescu-skin-cream-injuries

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    3. I'm loving MB enzyme cleansing gel as my 2nd cleanse - it's non foaming and exfoliating with papaya and has so far smoothed my skin really well whilst reducing redness. I wasn't aware of the steroid issue with control cream - that's really low. May have to rethink if that's their ethos.

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    1. Not they're fine. I just haven't reviewed it yet.

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  29. Jeunesse and instantly ageless

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  30. Proactiv.

    I don't care if benzoyl peroxide actually works, I would never recommend Proactiv. I have heard horror stories about trying to cancel shipments and get out of the scheme. It's like trying to quit the gym. You can find products that do the same thing in the drugstore without all the hassle.

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  31. Please everyone dont shout at me but ive not heard of any of these brands so am not sure on there ethos. Am in UK and i love skincare and have a blog so am a bit shocked lol I shall google :-) x

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  32. Forever Living. The Aloe Cult.

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    1. The one thing I hate about them is their view on how a good toothpaste should be; without fluoride, cause apparently it's toxic.. Might not be directly healthy to ingest no, but no one can tell me not to use fluoride toothpaste, my teeth wouldve been gone before my 20's! That goes for a lot of people..

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  33. For those of us in the US, I'd add Mary Kaye and BeautiControl. I also lost a friendship of many years because I kept saying no to overtures to sell Rodan + Fields. I think R + F products can be quite good, but I will never buy from any pyramid scheme.

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    1. I think Mary Kay and Avon have a respectable reputation compared to what she has listed, certainly the history to back up the devotion they receive. Both have fine products and their representatives aren't horrible and pushy, at least in my experience.

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    2. I didn't say Avon. Google for Mary Kaye - awful company that encourages sellers to go into debt.

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    3. SO true re: R+F.

      Also Nerium. Horrible product and sales tactics.

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  34. I've got two brands that give me the willies: Rodan+Fields and Nerium. If their products are so wonderful and life-changing, why can't they put them in a store so anyone can buy them? Why does it HAVE to be sold through one of their representatives? I can't stand sales tactics like that!

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    1. YES!! Nerium. That's the one. I knew someone who started selling it and sent me the email the commercial was all smoke and mirrors. felt very creepy. My poor friend. She shouldn't be selling this stuff. Caroline please at Nerium!

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    2. Nerium has oleander in it, which is toxic. Plus they are the masters of the pyramid scheme hard sell. I lost a friendship because of their sales tactics.

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    3. Rodan+Fields and Proactiv are made by the same sketchy company. I would add the haircare company Wen to this list.

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    4. Oh God I haven't seen them here - but if they're the same company they'll probably be aded to the list tomorrow. Thanks Ladies!

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    5. Wen! Don't get me started! I lost my hair due to chemo and called to cancel my subscription, and the man acted so put out and asked me, "When do you think you'll get your hair back?"

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    6. That is the worst thing I have heard - shocking practice!

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  35. Rodial?! They are the kings of bad body image, but some of their products are great.

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    1. This is something I've wanted to ask Caroline for ages too - underneath the horrible branding, are the products any good? I got given a whole load of Glamtox travel size kits and I don't know whether I'm making things better or worse when I use them

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    2. I use rodial Dragons blood moisturiser and I love it! Is it shallow of me not to care about their crap branding and just love the product instead?!

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    3. Products are nice but over-priced IMO and the messages are horrific.

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  36. I've never heard of any of these, and I'm pleased I haven't judging by some of these comments. Must add, since discovering you Caroline, (before I was a wash face with soap and slap on some olay kinda gal ! ) I am now double cleansing, toning, I've purchased facial oils and I'm putting all sorts of stuff on my face……..and it feels and looks great! I am a convert, you make things simple, so that num-nuts like me can understand. Thankyou for your time and advice xx

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  37. Are you not a fan of nip and fab Caroline?x

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  38. Ps thank you so much for all the time you put in the blog, you've helped my skin so much x

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  39. Philosophy. They have several products with huge hype. Thoughts?

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    1. Philosophy are nothing like this lot!

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    2. My experience with Philosophy is that if you are one of the persons that it works for, little else works as well.

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    3. Philosophy's products are sold for £££ but made with the cheapest ingredients *shudder*

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  40. Omg. I admin a group on Facebook and these companies are the bane of my existence. Add forever living to that list.

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  41. I just got chatted up by a Oro Gold girl. It was a thoroughly pleasant experience, at least for me, as I know my scientific background and data, which she didn't. In the end they were in a hurry to get me out, as other people started listening.

    LindaLibraLoca: Beauty, Baby and Backpacking

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    1. Only the strong will survive! Haha!

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  42. What about Paula's choice? Not that there's something wrong with the ethos, but I haven't seen av review of any product from PC.

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  43. Rodan& Fields? I don't use it but wondering your thoughts, I think it is the "adult" proactive

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  44. Can't stop laughing at ProActiv, that stuff is just. wow. ahahaha,

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  45. Caroline. I know you have a post on Aveda botanicals kinetics line products but was wondering if you were thinking of doing a full review on some of the products you've mentioned (cleanser, moisturiser ... etc)?

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  46. Motives Cosmetics..... another yonique in my eyes so pushy and dont leave you alone even when you say NO. And Jeunesse... bad bad bad

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  47. What about Dr haushka Caroline ? You never spoke about them.

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  48. NuSkin makes me a bit nervous with their MLM structure. I have their hand cream that came with my vitamins--their vitamins on the Pharmanex side of the business are good, but the hand cream is thoroughly mediocre and smells like "old people" perfume. The whole kickback/MLM/Morman aspect just turns me off.

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    1. Oh my gosh. Yes. NuSkin are headquarted where I live and they are absolutely unbearable.

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    2. BTW it has nothing to do with the LDS faith, it's just another MLM scheme.

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  49. I walk through the lovely St Christopher's Place in London everyday to get work and last week I saw that Oro Gold have just set up shop there, opposite L'Occitane. In my head I was literally like "Noooooooo!!!!". Let the daily sales staff stalking commence!!

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  50. Hi Caroline sorry to spam you but I really need your help!
    Im 20 years old, have combination skin, oily t zone and around nose and chin but dry on the cheeks. I used to be on Yasmin contraceptive pill which really helped my skin, and on top of that I was advised by a family friend dermatologist to just use Pears soap and E45 cream on my face, plus dalacin from the doctors for topical spots. This worked for a couple years (16-19) till last summer when everything seemed to fall apart. I switched pills because I had heard yasmin can stop improving your skin after a while, and this had been 3 years, and am now on microgynon. When my skin didn't improve I realised, after finding your blog, that my whole skincare routine was off!!

    I now use (with a flannel following your advice!!)

    Morning:
    Ren Evercalm cleansing milk
    Ren clarifying toner
    Clinique dramatically different moisturiser

    Evening:
    Body shop camomile cleansing oil (to remove make up)
    Ren clay cleanser
    Ren clarifying toner
    Clarins lotus oil
    Clinique moisturiser/No7 essential moisture night cream

    I also use clay masks once a week but always follow up with a hydrating one after, such as origins drink up overnight mask.

    Problem is Ive found at the moment that I have tons (literally the whole centre of my forehead) covered in small under the skin spots/bumps. Sometimes these get larger and form bigger spots, which if become whiteheads I treat following your cheat sheet, but mostly they just stay there. They don't get bigger but they also don't disappear either. I've been using the lush cleansing exfoliator you recommended recently because I assumed this was blocked pores or something but I really can't seem to get them to go away and they're really noticeable across my face even under make up!!

    Please tell me if theres something in my routine i'm doing wrong, I haven't touched the dalacin since I started this skin care routine but finding without it I'm at such a loss for what to do with these spots!! Should I be using a retinol product?

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    1. You are 20, you really don't need to be using retinol. At all.

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    2. The Clinique moisturiser (if it's the lotion and not the gel) has mineral oil which might be clogging your skin and causing the spots?! But I don't know anything really.

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    3. It is the lotion actually I had no idea it had mineral oil in it but I have noticed in the past when I started using that moisturiser that these bumps started to appear! Thanks!

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    4. I had the same experience with the DD moisturizer. It feels lush but it gave me the same sort of little bumps on my jawline.

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    5. I disagree. You can absolutely use Retinols. You just don't have to use the same strength as say me!
      But for your routine ditch the DDML and get a better acid toner.

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    6. Thanks so much for the help!What sort of strength retinolcould I look at and where can I find it? I'm a bit nervous to find one! And any recommendations on a new moisturiser and acid toner?

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    7. Indeed Labs do a cheaper retinol product called Retinol Reface which seems to work well to even out skin texture. Nice packaging and a good brand too. Maybe try that as it's fairly inexpensive?

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    8. First anon - retinols are not just for anti-aging, they are also for acne! One of the first things a doctor may prescribe for acne are often topical retinoids and I have found them to be very effective. (I use adapalene prescribed by my GP and REN Daily Supplement Moisturiser which works for me). Good luck Simply Blue!

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  51. My mom got sucked into selling Arbonne 2 years ago, it only lasted a few months when we realized how terrible the skincare products actually are. And those Younique representatives don't give up trying to sell their disgusting spider leg mascara! I have seen completely unprofessional behavior from them. I would also have to say Makeup Eraser, which isn't a skincare brand. If you even say one bad thing about their product (which is literally a $20 micro fiber towel) they attack you. Really unprofessional!

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  53. Never heard of any of these so I don't understand what this is meant to be about.

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  54. Also, i went to Kiehls recently and the woman talked me into getting a skin consultation, where she asked me about my routine and told me to take out all oils which i understand from your blog is wrong! Is she wrong or have i misunderstood?!

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    1. Weird. They brag about their midnight oil like there is no tomorrow. Maybe she thought you were reacting to essential oils or something? Difficult to tell given that I don't know exactly what you said to her. Not everone can tolerate all oils, like The Hiron has mentioned before.

      I do think there is such a thing as too much oil. If I cleanse with an oil and use a day oil, I get a lot shinier (and less dry) than if I don't. So if that was your issue as well, she might have adviced you to give up the oil?

      If she said that oils are bad as a general principle, I would email Kiehls. Thats just not right:P

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    2. Been a long time Kiehls fan and do really love their midnight oil mentioned above with eizhowa. The women in my store always push oils for my skins since it's so dry. It's also odd of Kiehls because a lot of their products are creams that turn into an oil/serum type texture once you begin to rub them onto your skin. I'd definitely go back and ask her specifics of why she told you that as like said above some people can't handle oils. If she is just saying it because *she* thinks then I'd definitely get in touch with a manager or Kiehls and let them know that someone in there store is going against their own ethos

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  55. Didn't know where else to post this, but just discovered that Avene will discontinue Cleanance K!!!! A brilliant peeling creme with glycolic acid... and very affordable :( Such sad news, had to share it somewhere :'(

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  56. Mario badescu?

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  57. Caroline, what do you think of Lancer?

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    1. Old fashioned. Out dated. Too harsh.

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    2. I'm so glad that I saw your opinion on Lancer! I was thinking about picking some up to give it a go and this just saved me a lot of money as it's quite pricy...and obviously better things out there! Thanks!!

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    3. Hi Caroline-when u say old fashioned??athey have the usual vitamin c, glycolic, retinol type serums that most high end products have-or do u not like the daily exfoliating he prescribes?

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  58. Having seen the comments you may need to clarify the type of brand you're talking about - direct sales and MLM brands. And add to my earlier comment/the list rodan & fields, plexus, juice plus and seacret, too.

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  59. Nip and Fab. They sell a cellulite cream. Sali Hughes has a great opinion on these. The ethos is just horrendous.

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    1. Sali and I agree 100% on that issue.

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    2. Fab. Also they sell on of those 'Botox in a bottle' products. Urgh.

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  60. Michael Todd True Organics? -_-

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  61. I have filed official complaints with watchdog and consumer standards about Orogold after being verbally abused because I would not spend £150 on a cream.
    I would not buy because i could smell a crock of sh* a mile off. They actually told me it's unique because it's water-based.
    When I researched further, I found out the product they test on you is glue.
    Why these scammers are allowed is beyond me. They have already been banned in Australia under Deep Sea. Please everyone report them so something can be done.

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    1. I've never heard of any of these companies but I goggled Ora Gold sales techniques and people were saying that some of them were physically stopped from leaving, they would push them back onto the chair.

      Well done for leaving without wasting your money.

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  62. I don't not know any of the brands listed (*what* do they do?), but when I saw the title of your post I somehow immediately thought about Paula's Choice. I know that it is probably a respectable beauty brand and the products are OK, but every time I visit the website (quite often, because they do actually list the ingredients of reviewed cosmetics and this is usually what I am after) I feel - this sounds so stupid, but "dirty" is the word. I mean, the site is just like a Daily Fail for cosmetics: there is NO product standing up to Paula's Choice level unless it's Paula's choice (all 5/5 stars, apparently). Now that is just impossible, isn't it. So I get that the brand makes a lot of good as they do take a critical look at the cosmetics on the market, but on the other hand if they write scathing reviews about most products, don't the reviews become simply undependable and, well, a bad marketing practice?
    I am just interested in your opinion, as I previously already made the decision not to buy any of the products - I just cannot help feeling it would bring so much negativity into my routine (can't help but think of the scathing reviews every time I catch a glimpse of Paula's products) it just seems it's not worth it.

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    1. Agnes, I totally agree! Thank you for the comment. I thought the same thing. Paula is picky! Some of my favorite go-to products are deemed horrid by Paula's Choice. No product seems to please them either for the packaging or some other reason. They only like their own products (shocker)

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    2. I am a fan of her products and her review platform...but not necessarily all her reviews. I have found that her analysis of products is always very good, it is just her conclusions that I disagree with. For example, she blasted a toner for having lemon juice as its main ingredient, which is "far too acidic" to put on your face. True, but I am not putting lemon juice on my face, I am putting the whole product on my face, which has an acceptable ph.

      I really feel that her products are, for the price, some of the best value out there. Which is not to say that every product works for every skin type.

      And she does give rave reviews to tons of products, like my beloved Chanel concealer and mascara.

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    3. With the exception of the inclusion of mineral oil I have no problem with PCC products per se. Yes, the constant pushing of their own brand is annoying but on the other hand, you don't have to buy it, Beautypedia is a free resource and I tend to agree with a lot of their reviews. Not all, but a lot. I'm pretty sure they agree with me in the above as well. X

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    4. Thanks for the reply! I've read some more comments and realized we're talking completely different 'ethics' here. I will still read the Beautypedia reviews - I just don't like the nonprofessional, bullying style.

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    5. I've tried two of their products, one was okay, one way too strong for me. And that's what's bothering me about Beautypedia because while that product might have been wrong for me, it doesn't make it a bad product. The reviews are based upon what she and her team view as "good" or "bad" and that's not always scientific at all. Yes, essential oils have the potential to irritate skin. My skin has zero problems with them. If a moisturizer has no SPF, she hates it. I put an SPF over my moisturizer or have it in my makeup. If there's fragrance in a cream, it's automatically a bad product to them. My skin is perfectly fine with it.

      My point is, she knows her stuff, yes. But every skin is different and she doesn't seem to take that into account at all. I will say this though, every product (except hers) I tried that received a rating of "Best" from Beautypedia, has been very good for my skin. So there you go. My main problem is that the reviews can be incredibly snotty and rude. It's unnecessary and makes someone with their own line look unprofessional at best. She doesn't need this and the site doesn't either. I spend 10 minutes reading reviews and need a bloody cookie to lift my mood. Why??? There's not point.

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    6. I like going there as well to get an idea about certain products and ingredients, and it is definitely useful. However one thing that bothers me, isn't that they push their own products, but that most of the Estee Lauder Companies products get really good reviews (including some MAC skincare products - what?), which makes me suspicious.

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    1. What's wrong with Neostrata?

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  64. Whatever happened to Liz Earle Cleanse & Polish? A few years ago, all the makeup artists on YouTube and blogs were obsessed. Now, not a word.

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    1. I think some people actually started to have massive reactions to it and that kind of discounts the marketing that it's suitable for all skin types. Which is a silly marketing angle, but there we go.

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    2. I read into the hype and bought a massive stash for myself but have ended up giving it all to my mum except for the toner. The C&P, moisturisers and oils left me beetroot red, burning hot and sore. I think the essential oil levels must be very high. such a shame and waste of money!

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    3. I know quite a lot of people who love it still. I think this came in before a lot of the more affordable cleansing balms and oils and most people just prefer them. Also a lot of people find that they just need more when it comes to exfoliation and if they are anything like me, they will just prefer to then use a different cleanser and exfoliate chemically after.

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  65. Thanks so much for the informative posts Caroline! I have always wondered about Arbonne, so good to know! Would love to see some info about best products for redness/rosa era and would love to hear your thoughts on Dermalogica products (just started using their calming serum to try to help with the redness!) Thanks again, love your blog!

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  66. Thanks so much for the informative posts Caroline! I have always wondered about Arbonne, so good to know! Would love to see some info about best products for redness/rosa era and would love to hear your thoughts on Dermalogica products (just started using their calming serum to try to help with the redness!) Thanks again, love your blog!

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  67. Pheeeeew, luckily never heard about any of these!!!

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  68. Thanks for the post Caroline. Aren't Rodan+Fields and Proactiv the same company? Both are sketchy.

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  69. Mario Badescu for sure. I don't know how a company can knowingly add steroids to their products and not add that information in the labeling. Not only add steroids, but they were prescription grade (fyi: Control Cream and Healing Cream). Who knows was other of their bloody products have harmful added additives that are not listed.

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  70. I'm wondering exactly what your criteria is, because Nestlé, which until very recently owned half of the L'Oreal group and its brands (la roche-posay, vichy, lancome, etc.), and now still owns about 30%, has been accused of using slave work, of some nasty "water monopoly" in the middle east/Asia, and that wouldn't exactly be nice. I understand it has nothing to do with their skincare products directly, but they are still the products of the same corporation.

    Thank you!

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    1. LRP, Vichy and Loreal are not in this league. They are brands you can buy off the shelf in most chemists. And for the most part, great, affordable product.

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  71. I'm curious if you have an opinion on Dr David Colbert skincare line, particularly his Illumino Face Oil which is very popular with the celebrities and models.

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    1. I tried this recently and was blown away. Had just splurged on Artemis, Luna, and a host of other products so waiting till end of the month, when I'm getting a consult/facial from Dr. Colbert in the Bloomingdales Space NK, to buy. It is incredible.

      I know you were asking Mrs. Hirons, but I cannot stop myself gushing about this one.

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    2. Oh that's great to hear! Thanks for the input :)

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  72. Oro Gold those !@*^!)$!*@$. Several years ago, on a trip to London, I was jet-lagged and hungover and I let myself be scammed. I bought something and I was intentionally distracted at the checkout and I signed a credit slip for over a £1000, when I thought I was buying hand cream and an eye cream for $50. I went back and they wouldn't refund me. They threatened to call the cops when I got angry, they knew I would be cautious being in a foreign country. So I left, after giving them the evil eye and every other curse my grandmother taught me!

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  73. Caroline!!! I have been recommended cosmedix and aspect by my laser lady. Are they crap?

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    1. Would love to hear more about the Aspect range too!

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  74. I have never had any dealings with companies, but a friend of mine signed up to Amway a couple of years ago. She invited me to lunch and then brought out all these brochures. She was keen for me to buy the make up and skincare, but the mascaras were £17! It was so awkward. I had to tell her that I would not spend that kind of money on a mascara, but then she responded by trying to recruit me! She had been totally taken in by the 'opportunity' of making a heap of money and our relationship suffered as a consequence. MLM should be banned.

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  75. This isn't a skincare company, but Lime Crime makeup is at the centre of an enormous scandal right now and has always been a shady as hell company. Had a brief relationship with Space.NK which I think the latter ended because of poor trading practices.

    For more info, all verifiable, I would recommend looking at ohdeardoedeere on tumblr.com - they have a compilation post of all the bad stuff their CEO is implicated in and all the scandals of the company so far. People's money has been stolen because of a security breach on the website, which has been happening since October last year and which the company only recently acknowledged. Among tonnes of other things.

    Inconsistent, repackaged formulas, sometimes contaminated, marked up prices, cultural appropriation and racism, sockpuppet social media accounts to take down 'haters', bullying bloggers and threatening them with legal action for bad reviews, and much much more.

    Mainly posting this for other users - it wouldn't surprise me if you already know about them, Caroline. :)

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  76. People are starting to bring out glycolic acid creams Caroline? Are these decent?

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  77. Hi Caroline,
    I'd love to hear your thoughts on the Jeunesse Luminesce line which is based on adult stem cell technology. The company is a pyramid scheme, however I do not believe they are 'dodgy' in any way. I recently purchased the serum and it has worked wonders for me!

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  78. Hi Caroline, what do you think of no7? As far as I'm aware I haven't seen you talk about them before, but I work for Boots and we sell a hugeeee amount of no7, so I'd love to hear your opinion on the brand!

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    1. Me too.. I use a lot of No 7 as so easy to get hold of.. No too expensive.. How would you rate protect and perfect serum? Thank you x

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  79. Hi Caroline, what of Marykay products are they good , haven't seen you review any of them

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  80. Hi Caroline, What do you think about the Dr David Colbert skincare line?

    FloralBeautii.blogspot.com

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  81. Have you done any reviews for environ? I'd love to know your opinion. X

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  82. i think it's really important to make people aware of the business plan/ethos behind these big, powerful companies. it makes you think twice about supporting them, when there are so, so many other great products out there!

    ellie xo
    www.thebeautifulunnecessary.blogspot.co.uk

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  83. I'd add micabella and its skincare counterpart (whose name I forget). Very pushy sales tactics. Huge original prices - £300 for a face cream that they knock down by loads to suck you in. The products themselves seek ok but the brand itself is horrific.

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  84. Not so much a brand with a bad rep, but given the prices of their wares, would be interested in seeing a review/your opinion: Rodin.

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  85. Caroline what do you think of Paula's Choice? A very popular youtuber RAVED about her clinical retinol treatment and I was curious to know if you'd ever tried it.

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  86. Gadi 21. Don't know if they're still there but they used to prowl around the shopping centre above Bond Street tube, and the House of Fraser Oxford St beauty hall. I made a formal complaint to HOF after being hassled and intimidated by their salesmen. I was literally surrounded by a circle of them and they shouted after me as I walked away. It was clearly a training day for new salespeople and they had been unleashed onto the shop floor en masse.

    HOF brushed me off with platitudes and I haven't spent a penny on beauty in there since on principle.

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  87. I had an identical experience to those people who got dragged into Oro Gold shops but with another brand - Sakura, somewhere around South Molton Street. Same aggressive tactics, same bombardment with ridiculous prices, same parachuting in of endless bogof's and free products and the same bewilderment when eventually getting out of the shop having spent £75 on stuff I knew I didn't want. More importantly the same "no refund" printed on the receipt. I was so angry at myself that I researched the company a little and found that it was owned by the same people that operate the kiosks in shopping centres that include Dead Sea products as well as Orogold and others - I even found the script they had used on me. Everytime I open the cupboard and see that stuff lurking at the back I get cross with myself all over again!

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